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Documents relating to Nukes huh?

What a time to be alive.

speedie wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:09 pm Documents relating to Nukes huh?

What a time to be alive.

Dear Baby Jesus, please let ex-president Donald Trump turn out to have been -- according to evidence that meets the highest legal standards for admissibility and reliability -- selling ultra-top-secret info about U.S. nuclear weapons technology to Russia and/or Saudi Arabia. I promise to be good forever if you make this one thing come true (offer void if DT evades prison). Amen.

Out of all of the crap that Trump has done... is it really going to be the mishandling of confidential documents that does him in??

jfv wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:28 pm Out of all of the crap that Trump has done... is it really going to be the mishandling of confidential documents that does him in??

I work in the archival field, and some of us are right there with you. Yesterday a colleague was saying "Wouldn't it be awesome if it ended up being the National Archives that took him down?"

Mind you, I still think Trump will walk away mostly unscathed, but it's nice a thing to think about.

offal wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:35 pm

jfv wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:28 pm Out of all of the crap that Trump has done... is it really going to be the mishandling of confidential documents that does him in??

I work in the archival field, and some of us are right there with you. Yesterday a colleague was saying "Wouldn't it be awesome if it ended up being the National Archives that took him down?"

Mind you, I still think Trump will walk away mostly unscathed, but it's nice a thing to think about.

Agreed.

I really hope we find out why he had those documents.

I'm not going to completely rule out the possibility that his team had their heads so far up their asses when they left the White House after Jan. 2021 that they just packed everything up without any discretion of what they were taking with them and the documents ended up at Mar a Lago. When the National Archives first started asking questions, Trump got belligerent... and here we are now with Trump trying to use any and all litigation techniques to try to stall the proceedings and make folks forget about it. He's more than met his match, though (the US Government), and they have (virtually) infinite funds and patience for this kind of stuff.

It would be really fucking scary if we do find out that he was keeping the documents in an effort to try to sell their contents as susanvp mentioned... can't rule that out, either.

What other reasons are there for Trump to be hanging onto those documents??

It's the cover-up that's likely to get them. We were talking about why top law firms don't want to work for Trump. His lawyers signed sworn statements that all documents had been returned. They'll be looking to do some prison time now, just like his former shmoe lawyer.

And some of these top secret documents were found in Trump's desk, alongside his passport?

The more this story drifts along the worse it looks for Trump. It might be another slap on the wrist/legal partisan Rorschach like Russia, but I could imagine at worst it could go down in history like Watergate.

I'm still convinced the worst of the slime will ooze free of this affair, but I can't quite imagine how.

jfv wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:28 pm Out of all of the crap that Trump has done... is it really going to be the mishandling of confidential documents that does him in??

Like Al Capone, get him on the something that's simple to prosecute. You don't need much from witnesses beyond 'the document was found here' and 'he never declassified this'.

Anthony Flack wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:12 pm It's the cover-up that's likely to get them.

Yes, trying to wriggle out of it is the very worst strategy since it will inevitably involve committing more serious acts. The guy seems to employ lawyers who say what he wants to hear, which is a very advanced and expensive way to keep digging a hole.

And since I work with archivists, let me say: these people have a particular set of skills. Skills they have acquired over very long careers. Skills that make them a nightmare for people like Trump. They are organised, detailed, and stubborn. I've seen them update thousands of records manually, even when automation was available and would have completed the task in milliseconds.

biscuitdough wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:56 pm I'm still convinced the worst of the slime will ooze free of this affair, but I can't quite imagine how.

Unfortunately, I think that could happen; another Saul Goodman “somebody’s going to prison” situation, and someone else will once again go to prison on Trump’s behalf.