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Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:28 pm
by Argyreia Nervosa_Archive

Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:35 pm
by unarmedman_Archive
Yeah, you could see that coming from a mile away.

I heard about that January debate, that they were going to exclude anyone who doesn't have at least 5% of the national vote, I believe. Last I checked we have state primaries, and Ron Paul is doing decently in NH.

Purely a tactic to exclude him, and only him.

Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:24 pm
by John George Peppers_Archive
I love hearing people talk about how we need change in this country. I usually respond with something like, "Oh, so you're voting for Ron Paul too?" Of course, I know they are going to say something along the lines of, "Who is Ron Paul?"

Even though I'm prepared for this answer, it still gets to me every time. FUCK don't you people read about or research your presidential candidates anymore!

Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:42 pm
by Argyreia Nervosa_Archive
It IS true: Ron Paul Is Being Excluded From The FOX News Debate
http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2007/12/29/ ... ews-debate

If the establishment is excluding Paul and attacking him while at the same time cob knobbling the other candidates, that should tell you something...


Will There Be a Run on NewsCorp (NWS) Holdings?

On the heels of a December 28th, 2007 AP report that confirms Ron Paul's exclusion from the Fox News roundtable discussion of January 6th, 2008, the same kinds of energetic Ron Paul supporters who engineered the November 5th 2007 $4.3 million fund drive and the December 16th $6.03 million drive, are taking a new approach to speaking out in the wake of a media blackout: a massive selloff of NewsCorp (NWS) stock.

Unlike the earlier efforts which were organized at a grassroots level, there appears to be no organization behind this latest move whatsoever. Instead, irate investors from around the nation and around the world began announcing their plans to dump NWS stock in several internet forums, and upon discussions they began to achieve consensus that much of the liquidated funds would be donated to the Ron Paul campaign coffers.

One investor, when asked for comment, told us, "I am tired, sick and tired of NewsCorp's Fox News channel deciding for the American public who they will and will not permit to run for President. Nobody asked me to sell my shares of NewsCorp, but I refuse to allow my capitol to be used to censor legitimate presidential candidates."

Will all of this anger and talk of selloffs actually translate into a run on NewsCorp stock? Only time will tell. In the meantime, savvy investors will be keeping a close eye on NWS stock over the next week.


http://libertyline.blogspot.com/2007/12 ... p-nws.html

Anyway, how awesome to have a nice list of Faux Snooze contacts to bitch at and advertisers to boycott. If a fraction of the 100,000+ people that donated to him this quarter (plus the people internationally that support him) do so, it will hit NewsCorp where it hurtz.

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Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:09 am
by warmowski_Archive
Rick Reuben wrote:
warmowski wrote:Ron Paul is punk rock? No. Ron Paul is...fake populism.
-r

How can Ron Paul be 'fake' populism when every point he makes about the illegality of the Fed and the IRS is supported by facts that you can't disprove?


Here's how: by demonizing government to a load of twits while being oh-so-quiet about the real civil requirements government represents. Classic populism promoted the public interest; Ron Paul -- like all right-wingers -- panders to hatred of taxes in an presidential election year, and this pandering is at the expense of public interest.

What escapes you is that government is not international political theater. You just don't get that. Again, always and forever: A does not actually equal B. Granted, it's fun to play with that equals sign and shove it where it doesn't belong (sorry, might belong), but grown-ups with names and bodies of actual work tire of that eventually. You haven't gotten there yet; I'd be less proud of that if I were you. But whatever.

What government actually is can be easily found by reading the 18-year Congressional appropriations record of Ron Paul. Given the very low number of times that record can be beaten off to, you almost certainly have not.

Government - as your candidate knows, and I suspect you know but dare not say - is reinforcing bridges, dredging rivers, buying database systems, staffing and equipping cultural centers and if you're in Ron Paul's district this fiscal year, marketing shrimp.

In other words, government is mostly just what this and all other free-market fundamentalist clowns rail against. Paul did it himself for eighteen years and we're supposed to just ignore that because of his monetary policy? Fuck that. He nationally panders Reaganite free-market we're-all-on-our-own horseshit to the tens of millions of isolated don't-tax-me dullards sprawled everywhere while knowing all the while that the Texas 14th wasn't on its own, isn't on its own and will never be on its own, Fed or no Fed, IRS or no IRS.

That right-wing message is a fucking bluff, and plenty of us know to call Ron Paul and every other right-wing cocksucker on it. Just not you, apparently.

Rick Reuben wrote:
What we have here is a byproduct of the malignant nostalgia for the grossly exaggerated social value of old punk rock, promoted by old punk rockers[...]



That would be interesting and insightful analysis if it weren't for the small problem that nothing I said is terribly punk rock.

I just wish you'd admit it: the perennial smash-hit Reaganite shrieking that government needs to "get off our backs" is what drives Paulbots - not technical monetary policy.

I recognize that capital American-style includes magic money - lots of it. I recognize that accounting-trick capital has hugely devalued the dollar. I howl with the irony of a modern 10% fractional-reserve requirement for lending matching the 10% margin requirement for loans for stock purchase that fueled the crash in '29. I know that addiction to liquidity then and now is the source of a great and recurring problem and that a new, worse 1929 is very likely coming as a result.

I know all of this, and so do you. But the difference between us is Fed or no Fed, I won't pretend that right-wing libertarian lies about civil life and government are anything but scummy, pandering lies. Bridges gotta get built; kids gotta get taught.

You say that makes me a fake liberal. Sorry, anonymous guy. What it makes me is not a sucker. Until I see you at the liberal meetings, until you and I work together on liberal causes and I may then judge your worth to them beyond your prolific, anonymous tippy-tapping on the internet, I'll just be ignoring your silly criticism, thanks.

Rick Reuben wrote:Now we have the internet. For now. Finally, we have the machine to transmit the message. Imagine if the anti-Vietnam movement had the internet at their disposal. Imagine if we had the internet back in 1910, when the bankers were finishing their plot to seize and bankrupt America. Imagine if the power of instant unedited communication with millions existed at other forks in the road of America.



Bernadine Dohrn didn't need the internet, and every blow she struck against war profiteering offices and infrastructure counted for a fuckload more than your clicking Submit 10,000 times. In light of that, I ask you to get the fuck over yourself, because compared to her, you are an anonymous pussy typist using a DARPA technology to jerk off with.

-r

Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:56 am
by Antero_Archive
Bravo.

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I'm pissed that FOX is not including Paul, because a) he can hang himself, given enough rope and b) it lends credence to his "outsider" masquerade.

Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:42 pm
by Antero_Archive
Are you seriously trying to play this "middle America" faux-populism bullshit on people who know better?

Maybe Dr. Bockenstedt and his wife are callous, racist, Reaganite idiots. Maybe they got suckered by his rhetoric without examining his policies like so many others. Maybe they're burgeoning fascists like yourself, who consider anything justified in the battle against their given ephemeral foe.

The article doesn't, of course, offer any way to tell, because it's entirely without content.

Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:02 pm
by Skronk_Archive
It's new years eve. Give it a break, Antero.

Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:49 pm
by Skronk_Archive
Antero wrote:Bravo.

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I'm pissed that FOX is not including Paul, because a) he can hang himself, given enough rope and b) it lends credence to his "outsider" masquerade.


That's kind of funny, since Paul doesn't seem to be hanging himself. He's doing quite well. The more people regard big government as a systematic attack on life, the better we'll all be.

It's always the topics one hates that can be drawn straight back to a government the size of whatever's in Cloverfield. :D

Presidential Contender: Ron Paul

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:20 am
by alex maiolo_Archive
Paul says "I've never voted for an earmark in my life"

Yet he's:
Sending money home to support the Texas shrimp industry.
Sending money home to reconfigure waterways.
Asking for funding for cancer centers in his district.
Wanting money to "reconfigure" the transportation structure of his hometown's theater district.
Etc.

The thing is these items, if they need to be done, could be reasonable requests. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that Hillary Clinton gets portrayed as some sort of mall developer when Paul gets a pass from being a Texas shrimp salesman.

By definition, earmarking is "setting aside public funds for specific purpose."
So how is it that he's never asked for any earmarks? Looks like he has to me.

He couches the whole thing as "returning the people's money to them," but why do Texas industrial shrimp farmers deserve money from any citizens other than those from Texas? It's not "their" money. Why do US taxpayers have to fund his town's transportation needs?

Maybe it's not on the scale as what Clinton does, and I'm not sure of what the quid pro quo factor is in each case. However, that's like saying a serial killer who's murdered 10 people isn't as "bad" as one who's killed 20, particularly if the former is complaining about the latter.
No, they are both serial killers - they kill people, that's what they do.

If the discussion is about whether this type of spending is right or wrong, then I call bullshit on Paul and his minions. He participates in it.
If it's about how Paul may earmark "better," then that's fair, but let's not paint Paul as some sort of pork hater.
So, in either case, he loses this debate.

-A