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kerble wrote:Propagandhi - Less Talk, More Rock (you are maybe best punk record ever, but John K. Samson, your songs are not for me, so sorry. I still love this album you did)

Actually, the funniest part about this record is that John was actually completely removed from it. It was Jord who played the songs and it was Chris who wrote them. John was just no longer suited for the band, but he did great in the Weakerthans for a while.

And Less Talk, More Rock is the greatest punk rock record of all-time. Period. Exclamation point. Cash that fucking check, brotha.

kerble wrote:Ten Almost Perfect Albums:

T. Rex - Electric Warrior (fuck you, "Rip Off")
David Bowie - Hunky Dory (eat dick, "kooks")
Sparklehorse - It's a Wonderful Life (tom waits sucks, "dog door")
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (I don't care what everyone else says, "hit the plane down", you need to get the fuck out. also, you like the way I give those directions, don't you? and you almost made up for it with the "Faiz Right Down to the Practice Room" line, but still, no dice.)
Propagandhi - Less Talk, More Rock (you are maybe best punk record ever, but John K. Samson, your songs are not for me, so sorry. I still love this album you did)
Led Zeppelin - IV ("rock and roll" is a very bad song, guys. very bad.)
the Beatles - [white album] ("glass onion"? are you fucking kidding me? I'll even take "obladi oblada" over "i told you 'bout strawberry fields". fuck. you.)
Moreno +2 - Moreno Veloso +2 (arrivederci, "Arrivederci")
Radiohead - OK Computer (trapdoor opens on "that stupid fucking 'cowboy song,' whatever the fuck it is and it drags that dumb robotic voice interlude with it)
Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee (oddly enough, I would not miss "nostalgia")

and for the middle finger bonus after two hands worth of 'also-rans':

Eagles - Hotel California (I hate the rest of the record and all of their horrible dreck, but imagine a world where this song does not exist.............hhhhhhhssssssiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhh..........)

kerble, I love you to death, but I can't believe this is your list.

1) Hunky Dory is too dated...occasionally too theatrical, even for Bowie. This is still probably the best Bowie album...(Bowie is still undeniably great...this is still an album I love).
2) Tom Waits is your legal guardian.
3) Led Zeppelin IV? IV?? Umm...really?
4) Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain...SPY Magazine presents...Ryan Schreiber and kerble...Separated at Birth??

I am listening to OK Computer for the first time in ages because of you though, kerble...it's not "flawed," but the first half of the album makes for a major let down in the second half. I'll refrain from the 5). On The Bends and OK Computer, Thom Yorke is an overproduced Judy Garland...laying out his rock and roll soul for all to behold. I am far from a Radiohead-head, but thinking about that band makes me feel badly that we are in the midst of a major Radiohead backlash. I wonder how they'll perceived by prick snobs like us in 20 years. Honestly...really hard to say...they never struck me as being terribly distinct somehow...

burun wrote:Escape From Noise changed my life. So it's perfect.

I had no idea the Liquid Liquid reissue went for so much money.

It changed my life, too.

Milhouse: "So this is what it feels like...when doves cry..."

OK computer is one of the most inspid, dated sounding records i can think of. it's rare for me to so completely reverse my stance on something i used to like , but in this case..... the swooshing sounds, endless reverb, bad-lyrics-rendered-as-unconvincing-soul-baring singing, computer voices.... all that shit is SO unbearable now. no? i know many people will disagree. i can still appreciate the songwriting in a piece like karma police or paranoid android, but i just find it an awful album to listen to. unbearable. i've been carrying around that thought for a while now, just needed to type it. thanks.

shagboy wrote:OK computer is one of the most inspid, dated sounding records i can think of. it's rare for me to so completely reverse my stance on something i used to like , but in this case..... the swooshing sounds, endless reverb, bad-lyrics-rendered-as-unconvincing-soul-baring singing, computer voices.... all that shit is SO unbearable now. no? i know many people will disagree. i can still appreciate the songwriting in a piece like karma police or paranoid android, but i just find it an awful album to listen to. unbearable. i've been carrying around that thought for a while now, just needed to type it. thanks.

I can't imagine this period...(Radiohead's music in particular) to be dated in the same way that so much is. It's like Doug Stanhope says...(to paraphrase)...everything is like everything else, every place is like every place else. There's no American "backwoods" anymore as we'd like to imagine it. We're too sterlie to be dated.

Stanhope wrote:"You know how bars will re-live generations?...how are we gonna re-live this decade? How do we re-live this? In 30 years, come on down and re-live the fuckin'...'aughts ['00]....Come on down and just dress up like a normal guy in a normal shirt, with a normal haircut and look like the guy next to you with a baseball cap on...it'll be just like the '90s without any good music."

Radiohead can do some amazing stuff. Way overrated globally, but to deny their quality is folly...even if it is "multi-millionaire tinkering"...

Minotaur029 wrote:kerble, I love you to death, but I can't believe this is your list.

1) Hunky Dory is too dated...occasionally too theatrical, even for Bowie. This is still probably the best Bowie album...(Bowie is still undeniably great...this is still an album I love).
2) Tom Waits is your legal guardian.
3) Led Zeppelin IV? IV?? Umm...really?
4) Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain...SPY Magazine presents...Ryan Schreiber and kerble...Separated at Birth??

1) I agree that it's a great record.

2) Tom Waits needs to not sing on some other dude's record right in the middle of me enjoying it. I like tom waits enough, but c o m e o n .

3) 'throw-away-rocker'. also, the Cadillac ads did not help.

4) I'll cut you.

Minotaur029 wrote:We're too sterlie to be dated.

Stanhope wrote:"You know how bars will re-live generations?...how are we gonna re-live this decade? How do we re-live this? In 30 years, come on down and re-live the fuckin'...'aughts ['00]....Come on down and just dress up like a normal guy in a normal shirt, with a normal haircut and look like the guy next to you with a baseball cap on...it'll be just like the '90s without any good music."

anything can date. there are always trends. we aren't "normal guys and gals in normal shirts and haircuts", this time period has fashions like any other. i think if anything the issue is not that this period is so "normal" or indistinct, it's that there is so much retro crap that the fashion is basically an ugly mishmash of recycled things from other decades.

one aesthetic that i do feel is distinctly of this decade is that really hideous intentionally clashing bright colors glam-nausea "heh heh it's so trashy" associated with crappy hipsters, "electro-clash", various noise bands, and bands like hella and lightning bolt. give me the stupid ransom note "extreme" typewriter typeface stuff of the 90s over this anyday. apparently this aesthetic was conceived by some kids at RISD... well, thumbs down.

i feel like this decade is some mutant version of the 80s plus internet and an even worse political situation.

kerble wrote:Zeppelin - IV ("rock and roll" is r songs are not for me, so sorry. I still love this album you did)
a very bad song, guys. very bad.)[/size]
the Beatles - [white album] ("glass onion"? are you fucking kidding me? I'll even take "obladi oblada" over "i told you 'bout strawberry fields". fuck. you.)

what the heck dude

If I think about it more I'll keep changing the list:

Godflesh - Slavestate (in it's originally intended, remix-free form)
Sonic Youth - Evol
The Jesus Lizard - Goat
The Pixies - Surfer Rosa
Fugazi - End Hits
Entombed - Clandestine
Nomeansno - Wrong
Elton Medeiros - Elton Medeiros (1973)
Aphex Twin - Richard D James
PJ Harvey - Rid of Me

ten?
fuck.



and honourable mentions

note: I get extra bonus points for "Reign in blood" as I'm stealing a priest's bandwidth to post it.