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kokorodoko wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:05 am

Curry Pervert wrote:The Workers Party manifesto looks really good. I've not finished reading it.

kokorodoko wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:05 am

Curry Pervert wrote:The Workers Party manifesto looks really good.

Are we reading the same text? There's a whole section on "mass migration", and then a bunch of paranoia about foreign influence and "alien values".

One of the techniques of international liberalism is to encourage divisive culture wars. From the top down, it seeks to impose its values on populations at home and overseas without informed consent through the educational system, the public relations, marketing and human resources departments of major corporations, through the ‘chilling effect’ of regulation and legislation and through arts and cultural patronage. This has created a class of intellectuals which has declared war on its own national and working class cultural traditions.

The British working class is known for its easy-going tolerance and welcoming stance towards new ideas and cultures. It challenged the racism imported by American troops in the Second World War ...

jfc

However, this tolerance is very different from top-down ideologically-driven progressivism, imported from the very different conditions in the US with its understandable racial obsessions and lack of any tradition (due to brutal repression) of a collective working class politics.

Progressivism fails to allow communities to live and learn alongside one another but imposes alien values through incentives and threats from above. It is manipulative. We particularly oppose all attempts to impose identity politics and division in our communities.

The WPB’s cultural policy will start with a radical overhaul of the funding of the arts, the charitable sector and the educational system to re-emphasise critical thinking, free debate, free speech and mutual respect.

... we will restrict the ability of private wealth, directly or through the increasingly sinister international NGO-industrial complex, to engage in cultural engineering.

Also I don't know the UK context but what tips off their conservatism as being specifically aimed at muslims? It doesn't sound qualitatively different from similar messages by right-populist parties. And the "mass migration" section doesn't seem aimed at muslims.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:52 am Pleasantly surprised to see this bunch get over themselves for a moment. We'll see if it lasts, but it's a start.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... p-election

Gramsci wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:36 pm So was I... So many egos and grand theories to argue about. Seeing the left not manage to descend into a circular firing squad is nice... But give it time. Someone will throw the toys out of the pram over a incredibly minor ideological difference.

Gramsci wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:36 pm

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:52 am Pleasantly surprised to see this bunch get over themselves for a moment. We'll see if it lasts, but it's a start.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... p-election

So was I... So many egos and grand theories to argue about. Seeing the left not manage to descend into a circular firing squad is nice... But give it time. Someone will throw the toys out of the pram over a incredibly minor ideological difference.

dontfeartheringo wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:00 pm

Gramsci wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:36 pm

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:52 am Pleasantly surprised to see this bunch get over themselves for a moment. We'll see if it lasts, but it's a start.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... p-election

So was I... So many egos and grand theories to argue about. Seeing the left not manage to descend into a circular firing squad is nice... But give it time. Someone will throw the toys out of the pram over a incredibly minor ideological difference.

I guess when they're faced with a coup de Le Pen, maybe it's time to start working for results instead of... whatever they've been doing.