Guns are great. Always have been, always will be.

Guns = men with tiny dicks needing to compensate for their shortcomings.

Bluegum LaBloat wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 6:43 pm Guns are great. Always have been, always will be.

Yep, guns are pretty awesome. It's the humans that chose to hoard them, develop attachments to them as totemistic fetishes, and then develop a worldview where they are necessary to their sense of security and well being, and then tie their entire identity to them that are the problem.

There is one idea I think deserves further exploration, vis-a-vis the "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns", or "legal guns aren't the problem, it's the illegal ones that are used to commit crimes" fallacy:

Presumably, there are no "illegal gun factories". It's safe to assume that every firearm manufacturer operating in the developed world (with the majority being in the US, Austria, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Argentina) is churning out "legal" firearms. They machine and assemble a working firearm that is legal to sell through licensed dealers, or direct to government agencies and the military. We can assume that every firearm or part of a firearm that leaves a manufacturer, such as Sig Sauer, is a legal machine.

So, how do all these "legal" firearms become "illegal". Where and why is there a pathway where "illegal" arms are entering the market? What part do or don't the manufacturers have in this, and do they bear some responsibility? What used markets, vis-a-vis bad-faith dealers, gun shows, estate sales/auctions allow these once "legal" weapons to fall into the "illegal" (presumed to be used to commit crimes) marketplace?

I have the feeling that any real stats put to this would reveal that the vast majority of weapons used to commit crimes/assault are in fact, "legal" firearms, obtained through legal channels, and all was good until the break with reality, or lack of safekeeping, care and safety protocols takes place. As stated earlier, we're all calm, sane, rational people, until that 'break' occurs in someone, and they become a raging chimpanzee with a battle axe and mace.

I'll add, as a camera collector who frequents estate sales and estate auctions: I find few things are richly poetic as to see some old gun nut get shipped away to the home, or pass away from some chronic malady, only to have their precious hoard of guns and ammo auctioned off to the next group of insecure flesh machines, hoping to hold the threats of the material world at bay until their ultimate end.

And so it goes....

I have no problem with guns, I don't own one personally but believe in the right to own one.

It's increasingly illegal to destroy guns in a country that has more guns than people.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/12-states ... confiscate

They have the cultural potency of the flag in any jingoistic propaganda state, or of the religious symbol in any sufficiently evil religion. That right there should get a crap vote.

Geiginni wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 2:49 pmSo, how do all these "legal" firearms become "illegal". Where and why is there a pathway where "illegal" arms are entering the market? What part do or don't the manufacturers have in this, and do they bear some responsibility? What used markets, vis-a-vis bad-faith dealers, gun shows, estate sales/auctions allow these once "legal" weapons to fall into the "illegal" (presumed to be used to commit crimes) marketplace?

I have the feeling that any real stats put to this would reveal that the vast majority of weapons used to commit crimes/assault are in fact, "legal" firearms

Absolutely. The guns that enter the black market started out on the white market, and that black/white metaphor extends out to its logical conclusion.

Someone else sent this to me, and I haven't independently verified it, but as I've mentioned, I live in Texas, and this shit tracks. MFer's with big ass GD trucks who complain about taxes also advertise their rock hard dicks for guns on any flat surface they can find.

I'm surprised that the south, Idaho, etc. haven't adopted a flag like that of Mozambique...with an AR crossed with a vape or crucifix.