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Re: Politics
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:13 pm
by Gramsci
jfv wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:38 am
Gramsci wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 4:43 am
Fingers crossed in the UK today. For all of Labour’s many flaws seeing the back of the worst government in modern history will be a relief.
Yep, hoping for the best for you all. News sources in the US seem to think it’s going to be good news (but of course they have been wrong before).
Labour landslide
Re: Politics
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:39 pm
by pldms
Galloway losing is a sweet moment. What an awful, awful man.
Re: Politics
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:54 pm
by HeavenIsInYrBeard
Gramsci, I kind of agree with what both yourself and curry pervert are saying, despite the fact that you're arguing separate points. A Starmer-helmed Labour Party will be 5 % socialist, 60,% neo-liberalist and 35% Tory-Lite. But I'm trying to be at least cautiously hopeful that we've already hit rock bottom and that at least things can't possibly get any worse from here on.
Even Reform UK have served a useful purpose in splitting the Tory demographic, despite it not being the purpose they intended to serve (or was it?) although Starmer is going to have to work long and hard to convince floating voters to give him a second chance in five years' time.
Just out of interest, did either of you receive any literature from the Heritage Party? I did - and having never heard of them before, looked them up on Wiki. Christ on a bike, their policies make Nigel Farage look like Jeremy Corbyn.
Re: Politics
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:58 pm
by HeavenIsInYrBeard
pldms wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:39 pm
Galloway losing is a sweet moment. What an awful, awful man.
You'll certainly get no argument from me on that score. Morally bankrupt serial womaniser (and impregnator) who was so publicity-hungry he impersonated a cat on "Celebrity Big Brother".
Re: Politics
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:18 pm
by Curry Pervert
HeavenIsInYrBeard wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:54 pm
Even Reform UK have served a useful purpose in splitting the Tory demographic, despite it not being the purpose they intended to serve (or was it?)
Starmer pulled his candidate from Clacton and he was told not to set foot there. Whether this is Farage's 'reward' for splitting the tory vote or a deeper establishment gift for his assistance in getting brexit over the line is anyone's guess.
HeavenIsInYrBeard wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:54 pm
Just out of interest, did either of you receive any literature from the Heritage Party? I did - and having never heard of them before, looked them up on Wiki. Christ on a bike, their policies make Nigel Farage look like Jeremy Corbyn.
No but this seems part of a major push from the right wing think tanks (tufton st etc.) that's happening on several different fronts.
There's a group called restore heritage that are trying to interfere with the national trust, they keep putting sponsored ads on FB to wind people up with lies about how the NT is trying to rewrite history, with liberal usage of the word 'woke' etc. It seems their main goal is to whitewash the colonial past, with a side benefit of trying to push people to the right.
Dark times ahead.
Re: Politics
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:01 pm
by A_Man_Who_Tries
Fuck off Rees-Mogg you cunt.
Re: Politics
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:13 am
by Gramsci
HeavenIsInYrBeard wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:54 pm
Gramsci, I kind of agree with what both yourself and curry pervert are saying, despite the fact that you're arguing separate points. A Starmer-helmed Labour Party will be 5 % socialist, 60,% neo-liberalist and 35% Tory-Lite. But I'm trying to be at least cautiously hopeful that we've already hit rock bottom and that at least things can't possibly get any worse from here on.
Even Reform UK have served a useful purpose in splitting the Tory demographic, despite it not being the purpose they intended to serve (or was it?) although Starmer is going to have to work long and hard to convince floating voters to give him a second chance in five years' time.
Just out of interest, did either of you receive any literature from the Heritage Party? I did - and having never heard of them before, looked them up on Wiki. Christ on a bike, their policies make Nigel Farage look like Jeremy Corbyn.
I disagree about your breakdown of Labour. Of course I’d prefer a socialist Labour Party but the reality is it has always been a coalition of spectrums from the progressive right to socialist left. One of my principles is to not engage in leftist circular firing squads. I’m on the what a lot of people would regard as the “far left” but the libertarian socialist wing. But it’s always better to have a Labour Party in power, then to have the arguments, rather than doctrinal bickering on opposition. The reality is the media here are the Chomskyian definition of Consent Manufacturers.
Heritage Party, no. But bizarrely I got a Conservative leaflet… I live in Corbyn’s Islington North. An insane waste of money.
Re: Politics
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:10 am
by pldms
A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:01 pm
Fuck off Rees-Mogg you cunt.
Local MP, but national embarrassment. Even after the boundary changes (which disadvantaged him) it was still close.
Stayed up to see him off, but missed Truss's departure. That is staggering (her majority was more than 25,000.
Re: Politics
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:14 am
by pldms
Gramsci wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:13 am
But bizarrely I got a Conservative leaflet… I live in Corbyn’s Islington North. An insane waste of money.
We had a far-right activist and transphobe standing for the 'Party of Women' in what was a clear green / labour fight. She lost her deposit, happily.
Re: Politics
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:21 am
by Gramsci
pldms wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:10 am
A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:01 pm
Fuck off Rees-Mogg you cunt.
Local MP, but national embarrassment. Even after the boundary changes (which disadvantaged him) it was still close.
Stayed up to see him off, but missed Truss's departure. That is staggering (her majority was more than 25,000.
My favourite description of Mogg was “Haunted Victorian Lamppost.”
