Perverted Justice, etc?

Something unfair about entrapment...
Total votes: 23 (37%)
I have no sympathy for these scum.
Total votes: 39 (63%)
Total votes: 62

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Marsupialized wrote:
NerblyBear wrote:These guys walk around all day telling themselves what pieces of shit they are. They don't need us chiming in.


Obviously they do, maybe you've noticed that child sexual abuse is pretty fucking rampant in this country.
Them simply trying not to fuck a kid dosen't seem to be working to well in most cases.


I think that the ones who tell themselves they're unredeemable pieces of shit are indeed (as you say) the same ones who keep doing it over and over again.

This further establishes my theory: telling people they're evil and worthless because they've done something wrong is not only cruel but is, ironically, counter-productive. Directly counter-productive. These people need therapists, not a finger wagged in their faces.

That a supposedly "Christian" country so vilifies and loathes people like these is richly ironic. I also think that much of its fear and hatred of homosexuals springs from the myth that says that gay people are just one step away from pedophilia.

Are you happy to be associated with Christians, Marsupialized?
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Heeby Jeeby wrote:Entrapment or not, who cares? This show does nothing to help solve the problem. It is pathetic television that panders to the worst in human nature.

Burn 'em, hang 'em blah blah blah. Reactionary bullshit.

If you can't or won't take the time to fully understand problems then this is the show for you. This is the party for you. This is the TV station for you.

And this is for you too...

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Some of the posts in this thread are fucking shocking.

I agree with this statement.

I don't think that adults should have sex with kids. I personally find that to be predatory and disgusting.

That said, I think the problem is nowhere near as black-and-white, cut-and-dried as the media and politicians make it out to be. They exploit the public feelings of outrage to their own personal and economic advantage and I find that to be just as repellant as the adult who seeks out sex with teenagers.

Let's face it, you cannot ignore the fact that the current US statutory rape laws are based primarily in a cultural context. Sex with persons under the age of consent is illegal not because it's necessarily harmful in all cases, but because the majority of American society finds it to be objectionable. As others in this thread have pointed out, age of consent laws differ widely from place to place and have changed over time. Now I'm not saying that some guy seeking out sex with random kids on the Internet is not harmful, I'm just asking you to acknowledge the context that the age of consent/marriageable age laws differ greatly from culture to culture.

In addition to this, the sense of moral outrage in our society regarding these sorts of crimes is, in my opinion, out of all proportion to their severity when you compare them with other, more severe crimes that get relatively little media attention. If we're talking rape, why is there little to no public concern about, say, extremely violent and injurious cases of prison rape (which often go completely unpunished)? Probably because we as a society have taken for granted the notion that incarcerated persons don't deserve protection under the law because they have committed some action in their past (whether violent or not) which has necessitated their removal from society and therefore it's not our problem. My point is that we are fine with allowing, say, a convicted felon to brutally beat and rape a young first-time offender in Cook County Jail, but a socially inept twenty-something young man who chats on the Internet with a seductive, sexually-experienced adult posing as a 16-year-old, then agrees to meet them in a public place ought to have his entire life ruined. Call me crazy, but that seems like a fucked-up set of priorities.

Though I lack information to support this speculation, I have serious doubts that there are a whole lot of underage kids out there who really go on the Internet with the intention of actively seeking sex with some 40-year-old married guy. And what about the guys who fall for the sex chat ruse, but stop just short of actually driving out to meet the (supposed) minor? Might that experience not encourage him to be more bold in seeking out kids online in the future? By running these stings they might be actively encouraging the very problem they're supposed to be preventing. Then again, that does ensure there will always be plenty of material for future Dateline NBC episodes.

I find this kind of thing to be treading an ethical fine line, and the playing on hype and public outrage instead of common sense and understanding is symptomatic of some very serious problems within American culture.
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Marsupialized wrote:Who the fuck said 18 and 19 year olds?

you did. "if you cannot fathom why an adult should not be having sex with a teenager, laws or social norms aside I cannot help you". 18 and 19 year olds are teenagers. what am i missing. if that's not what you meant, be more specific next time. it doesn't actually matter. you think it's okay to fuck an 18 year old, regardless of the person's level of maturity. you think it's "the worst possible thing" to fuck a 14 year old, regardless of that person's level of maturity. i'd like to know where in between 14 and 18 you draw the line, when sex goes from being "okay" to "worst possible thing". give us a number.

Marsupialized wrote:I am saying to you that you should take a good hard long look at yourself and figure out what it is about full grown adults that's so scary to you

i am a big fan of having sex with adults.

Marsupialized wrote:Fuck all the 18 year olds you want, it's still pretty pathetic if you are in your mid 20's or later fucking a 18 year old but whatever, just leave the 14 year olds alone. Move up to at least high school.

i'm not sure if "you" here refers to child molestors or muzorewi's daughter. if it is the former i agree as a rule of thumb. if it is the latter you can go fuck yourself and consider this discussion closed.

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big_dave wrote:Do we have to explain why entrapment is bad? Creating a crime just so a person has the possibility of commiting it?


The cops are not creating shit. They are openly committing the crimes, the cops just noticed it was going on so brazenly and it was an easy as fuck way to arrest people.

I should feel bad that these people who fucked their little thing up for themselves by being so fucking stupid and open about it for all these years talking like that to anyone who popped up, I should feel bad someone noticed this and has made it more difficult?
It's a fucking felony prison crime and they are just begging anyone they can to help them commit it constantly out in the open.

Put an ad on craigs offering cash to murder someone, see how fast the cops show up.

If the cops see a corner where a bunch of drug dealers always go and openly sell drugs is it somehow entrapment for them to send undercovers in to buy from them?
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big_dave wrote:Being attracted to children is not a crime. It does not take a cop to "notice" that some people are attracted to children, but it takes a cop or a vigilante to create a crime that wouldn't have otherwise existed.

Are you defending fake-curb crawlers and bogus drug deals now?


If someone openly and brazenly commits what he knows to be a serious crime right out in the open over and over again how the fuck can you blame the cops for arresting him?

You don't think cops should arrest street crack dealers, ok. I can tell you've never lived in a shitty fucking neighborhood.
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