Re: Solid state guitar amps

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tommy wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:49 am
tallchris wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:45 am
Dr Tony Balls wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:29 am Right, speakers and cabs are a different thing. I suppose there are lots of exceptions and nuances but i'd rather play bass out of a Hiwatt DR103 than play guitar out of a GK-800RB.

Coincidentally FM penningtron has gotten great guitar sounds out of a 400RB, and I’ve known a few other folks who’ve used it for guitar when their sound is mostly pedal based.
Yeah, but those were with the Bit Commander. So it’s basically synth guitar. You aren’t going to get AC/DC unless you use something like an amp emulator in front. Which is an option! Get that UA Deluxe thing for guitar amp sounds through a bass amp.
I got the idea seeing FM Pepper! do it on occasion, who had a more normal rock tone playing a G&L thru a DOD tube screamer.

I do prefer separate speaker/cabs for guitar and bass, as I haven't found one setup that sounded great on both.
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Dr Tony Balls wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:29 am Right, speakers and cabs are a different thing. I suppose there are lots of exceptions and nuances but i'd rather play bass out of a Hiwatt DR103 than play guitar out of a GK-800RB.
Bass sounds good thru all Hiwatt "guitar" heads.

There's a lot of 50-100W nominally "guitar" amps that sound great for both. If you want super deep tubby bass, then you need a tub amp with mass headroom. If you want it a little dirty, many options.

One of the best bass sounds is AB165 bassman (kinda underpowered for modern bass onstage) with everything dimed. We used that in Silkworm a fair amount (Don't Survive, Insomnia, Nerves, etc.--if you've heard the songs, you know it when you hear it).
For dual duty I highly recommend one of the following amp heads with separate cabs: a bass cabinet when wanting bass, and a guitar cabinet when wanting guitar.

Solidstate
Kustom K-200B (the one with 4 knobs on each side)
Peavey Musician Mark III
Lab Series L11, L2, or L4
Traynor TS120B maybe?

Tube
Ampeg V4
Ampeg B25 or B25B (both are the same head)
Fender Bassman AB165
Orange OR120
Yes. Good list! Ampeg V2/V3 head (the 70s ones) also. I prefer V4 to SVT for my bass purposes generally speaking. I mean, I have two V4s and zero SVTs, so yeah.

I've been curious about running one of my Yamaha 100W SS guys into bass cabs and playing bass thru it. I'll have to try that.

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IDK about the rest of you but it's tub amps from here forward for me. I prefer solid snake for bassssssss though.
eephus wrote: One of the best bass sounds is AB165 bassman (kinda underpowered for modern bass onstage) with everything dimed.
I mean if we're talking about bass amps that are almost always more often used for guitar, I'd probably also add Traynor Bass Master (although for bass, the 1A version would put you in a better place for bass (same w/ the later higher-power versions of Bassmans for that matter)) to the list too even though we're veering well out of solid-snake amps. Josh and I used both of those tracking bass for the mic signal and were happy w/ results and did NOT dime everything.

I'd also probably personally argue some for V4B vs V4 since we're talking about doing dual-duty as I do quite like the "Ultra Lo" switch for bass most of the time (depends on cabinet it's being used with).

Anyway, sure there are a lot of exceptions as far as guitar amps that can do a good job on bass. Sunn Model T belongs on that list too technically regardless of ridiculous overpricing. What most of those have in common are that they provide plenty of clean headroom and plenty of power for whatever instrument to do it it's thing and that's really what Bass amps are going to deliver more consistently. Your pedals are where you'll get your grit, tone, etc but going in blind, if we go back to the "build a rig under x dollars that does both" challenge, I'd still start w/ bass amps first.

Going back to solid-state amps though to fit the brief, there was a head-only version of a Jazz Chorus JC-120H that I would suggest trying if it were priced more reasonably these days but along those lines, there were a ton of amps that kinda aped that clean solid state thing including that recently-mentioned Yamaha that would probably do fine. & since the TS-120 was mentioned, probably should suggest TS-200 - but we all know too that the TS-50b does a great job with guitar distortion so yeah different animal doing a niche thing but worth mentioning.

I think we all pretty much agree that especially at drummer volume, you don't want to be using guitar speakers for bass (especially not in open back as noted above). & since folks should be using separate cabs for each app, it really makes more sense to not have one thing try to do both. I generally like amps for guitar and bass that do that one special thing really well vs shoehorning a partial solution where neither is a perfect fit.

Which brings us to unless the main issue: If this is actually space vs cost discussion, then that's a different subject which we should start discussing cabs and speakers that do dual duty and I think again, I'd go w/ bass cab first to do both. Same thing applies about clean reproduction, you don't really want speaker breakup for bass most of the time. Going old school, speakers like the EVM-15L & EVM-12L (still in production but $) and their clones do pretty well. If it's a cost concern, I'd probably say there are still a TON of affordable options for good-sounding amps available regardless of the pandemic-gear-cost-inflation-phenomenon that I'd just get separate bass/guitar amps personally.

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The deepest, most beautiful dark tubby bass I get to hear regularly is from our MANN amp (Garnet stencil 3-knobber), which is like 40 watts of tub power. It isn't loud, it doesn't sound good in overdrive, but if you want that dark, rubbery clean throb, that's your guy.

Despite some of them having "flatter" low-end, I have generally hated SS amps for clean, dark bass. Trace-Elliot, GK, Alembic, Acoustic, transistor Ampeg, Peavey, Hartke... trash. Some sound good for spanky, clanky bright bass (Traynors rule for this, but Acoustic or in a pinch GK) but none of them can make the smooth low throb. Trace-Elliot amps are just awful in any circumstance. They are the monkfish liver of bass amps.

For guitar lots of transistor amps have some kind of useful personality, but typically either dead clean or roasted/dirty. Mild overdrive/transition is where transistor amps kinda eat shit.

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