Yeah, but Jason, I would say it like this...

It's a shitty way to put it, but we have been here before a lot longer and we really don't care anymore.

I can tell you one experience when we toured with a US band, and we entered a Paris McD to order some food because it's the only thing we could afford and we were starving like hell.

We came in, gone to the counter, this pale motherfucking skinny French dude asks us in French what the fuck we want. We say what we want in fluent English and this dude just stares at us and says: QUIO!?

HE DID NOT GIVE A FUCK!

I think thats a funny thing that Europeans don't realize, The majority of Americans who actually get to the old country paying half their salary to visit Europe are pretty insecure about their lack of culture, language, and identity, unlike the hyper aggressive British louts who are binge drinking in Ibiza fresh off a 30 quid EasyJet flight like they owned the place. It\s the Americans who stay home you should be worried about.

God I hate that fucking whirring sound added to electric/hybrid vehicles when they reverse. I get the point, but do they really need to be 3 times louder than gas motors..

zorg wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:32 am The majority of Americans who actually get to the old country paying half their salary to visit Europe are pretty insecure about their lack of culture, language, and identity..

I'm unsure if the usage of irony is appropriate in this context, but it's pretty ironic that in America's desire to maintain and propagate white supremacy they've effectively erased their own individual origins and cultures for the sake of being white.

Sadly I haven't traveled much outside of America (save for an ill-fated tour to Canada which found me and my band effectively banned for a year...boring story) but I'm aggressively curious about how white people outside of America view White Americans. Ignoring the Trump factor I'd imagine not very well.

rsmurphy wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:48 am

jfv wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:08 am I was sort of being serious. As a white American, I was trying to think of something I participate in that is predominantly but certainly not exclusively white folks.. that was also something I was proud of and is really cool. PRF came to mind.

I understand your point, thanks for expounding on it. I never looked at EA/PRF from that perspective possibly because I'm so accustomed to America as a whole, warts and all as being white culture; the default.

I guess here's the other problem defining "white" culture. We all have origins predominantly from several dozen European countries, and many of us cling to cultural stuff from those specific countries. But shit, I have origins in no fewer than six of them, as does my wife. My kids have fractional origins in more than ten countries. It's so diluted for them.. I guess they are pretty much just "white" Americans now.

I don't know

In this instance it's by design that white people can't or don't define cultural touchstones instead choosing to paint them all as white. It maintains supremacist systems; it's also the default of being born in America.

See also: Depictions of Jesus as a blue-eyed white guy.

Sometimes I think white culture is really just whatever's not unacceptably (to the keepers of the culture) something else, and that's not very appealing or useful. I enjoy corn dogs and Devo, but not country clubs or the klan. If white culture exists it's hard to argue that the latter two things are not part of it, and that's a drag.

Two things that will always annoy me:

1. People saying "rotary" when they really mean "Wankel."
2. People saying "tremolo" when they really mean "vibrato."

If the whole block doesn't rotate around a fixed crankshaft, it's not a rotary engine. If it's not modulating volume, it's not a tremolo. Jesus.

ErickC wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 2:17 am 2. People saying "tremolo" when they really mean "vibrato."

I think you can place the blame squarely with Leo Fender....

How do you fucking use this fucking Focusrite Solo thingy!?

Is there a German word for being grateful that somebody did the dishes but perplexed and irritated that they put the dishes away as if they'd never seen a kitchen, let alone the one they've used for the past seven years?

Tree wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 8:38 am Is there a German word for being grateful that somebody did the dishes but perplexed and irritated that they put the dishes away as if they'd never seen a kitchen, let alone the one they've used for the past seven years?

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