burun wrote:

steve wrote:adults in short pants

Do not hate on mailmen! They have to wear those things.

Ace wrote:

itchy mcgoo wrote:The arbititrary line is yours to draw and I understand the punch of significance and connection to things created in struggle. The cost of that is yours alone, but there's whole lot of baby in that bath water.

I say this without knowing how you define open and democratic, but the things that come to mind are the US, France, Denmark and certain pre-historic cultures. So much baby. Big, big chunks of baby. Not even really stew anymore.

Point taken, I can't really defend my position in a complex way on a message board. Let's just say that I think in lots of modern democratic societies, the ability to express oneself freely causes the subjects of most art to be based on gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc... Often, art gets lost in these ideas - Social restrictions and oppression are indeed fodder for art, but they are a ton weaker than governments with caste systems built into their very framework.
The brilliant thing about art made in restricted societies - and not ALL of it, a lot of it is gross propaganda, but the best i think is often the best - is the great artist's ability to transcend his limitations: Rodchenko and Lissitsky HAD to make propaganda, but they made so much more than propaganda. This can be applied in countless cases.
Don't get me wrong, I would rather have a society that preserves human life over great art, but I'm going to have a prejudice. Just like everything else, a lot of contemporary art and architecture, though not all of it, looks to me like a stereotype of art and architecture - really obvious, and boring.

Genius is something that practice rarely makes perfect - i honestly believe it comes in moments of inspiration (this explains shoddy work quality/ artist declines over the years). This is a very inequitable and unpopular perspective, so I really understand a lot of the opposing opinions.
I just don't agree with them.

lemur68 wrote:

that damned fly wrote:career waitresses.

Come on, who else is gonna ever call you honey?

dontfeartheringo wrote:home game here in Athens this weekend.... let me add:

College Football People.

God fuck a duck, I hate those people. They descend on my town like a plague of dumpling shaped locusts in red pants and black shirts, and suddenly there's no wait less than an hour in any restaurant in town, and the streets are full of middle class drunks.

FUCK football season.

PEPPER! wrote:don't know about that, every southern college town goes completely apeshit over football

Marsupialized wrote:Oh yeah, cops.
I despise the police with a passion unrivaled.
I wish great sorrow and pain upon every single police officer on the face of the Earth. Everyone who's even considered becoming a police officer, or who has encouraged someone to become one.
Fuck them all.