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Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:04 am
by Nate Dort
They should put Obama as the VP just to get republicans totally frothing.
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:06 am
by penningtron
Frankie99 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:50 am
The thing about the warnings from AOC that resonated with me, and she was still making them Friday night, is that the Dems as she knew it were not prepared for the legal mess that would ensue from changing candidates. My experience with dems says "yep. that tracks."
She's right, they will probably try to legally block it. But they also try to impeach Biden every other week and are a fuckin' in-fighting mess so good luck to them. Mike Johnson has got to be the least intimidating dude in DC. He looks like 3 kids stacked in a trenchcoat.
On another note, I love how Joe Manchin thinks anyone gives a flying fuck about his chances or what he thinks about anything period. Fuck off and go away.
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:27 am
by Wood Goblin
Frankie99 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:50 am
The thing about the warnings from AOC that resonated with me, and she was still making them Friday night, is that the Dems as she knew it were not prepared for the legal mess that would ensue from changing candidates. My experience with dems says "yep. that tracks."
But now magically that dragon is slain and Harris is just going to glide through to the nomination? I mean, it's not like she's worse than anyone out there, and in many regards has a better record on a lot of things Biden didn't prioritize - important things too like abortion, marijuana, CJ reform so I kinda feel like, whatever, just point me to the voting booth when the time comes, but still. The unity they're pulling off def. feels very coordinated.
I would love AOC, Jeffries or even Buttigieg as VP, We'll see. All three of those people are miles better than what we've seen from dems in the past, so that's promising.
I dunno man. I kinda figured this was coming, but the coordination feels weird. Not used to this kind of plan working for dems..
(Also, as much shit as JB takes, he's made some really good progress. Attacking predatory rental price fixing, ending Non competes for workers....those are Big Deal things that don't get reported because Trump fumbling through a speech littered with half assed school yard insults is plastered all over MSM.)
While I’m sure the GOP will threaten and perhaps even try “legal” means to stop this, they’ll get no traction. The Dems haven’t officially nominated anyone yet.
Totally with you on the MSM. Sunday morning, before Biden made his announcement, one of the lead stories on Apple News (sourced to CNN, I think?) was “five key takeaways” from a recent Trump rally. So my attention to so little of consequence or interest.
In terms of veeps, I’ve seen NC’s Governor suggested. He’s term limited anyway. And while VP choices seldom move the needle, it’s also not like Biden got shellacked in NC in 2020. That’s a winnable state. At least make Trump work for it!
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:50 am
by enframed
Frankie99 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:50 am
The thing about the warnings from AOC that resonated with me, and she was still making them Friday night, is that the Dems as she knew it were not prepared for the legal mess that would ensue from changing candidates. My experience with dems says "yep. that tracks."
Legal mess? Like the courts could be involved? Or procedural mess within the party?
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:55 am
by DaveA
Biden has done the right thing. He and his legacy will be regarded more favorably now.
And I do believe Harris is a better candidate than Trump. Aside from whatever issues are at stake, in general, she will exercise much more sound judgment and rise to the occasion, build a better coalition on the global stage. America’s better off with a former prosecutor at the helm than a felon who’s never said one bad thing about Putin. (Right-wingers who say Trump “can’t be bought” need look no farther than Russia.)
[Edited to minimize yesterday's rambling.]
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:18 pm
by ChudFusk
jfv wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:37 pm
Not sure about the overall impact of having Harris as the nominee instead of Biden, but I can tell you that my 18-year-old daughter and all her 18-year-old friends are (at least as of this moment) very excited to vote for Harris. They were previously considering either voting for a third-party or sitting out the election.
That is a sincerely encouraging thought. I don’t have much faith in what she would do as president, but it is always good for young women of color to have representation and to be encouraged to participate in democracy. Maybe enough young people will come out and vote that. they will counteract the dumdum swing voters who will stay home or swing to Donny.
penningtron wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:06 amOn another note, I love how Joe Manchin thinks anyone gives a flying fuck about his chances or what he thinks about anything period. Fuck off and go away.
I haven’t thought about him in a while, goddamn I hate that fuckin’ shriv
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:57 pm
by dumbass
the truth is no one is excited about zero delegate Kamala, I'll be sitting this one out, its gonna be a blow out anyways...
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 2:25 pm
by DaveA
dumbass wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:57 pm
its gonna be a blow out anyways...
In whose favor? You think Trump will run away with it?
Fine if people want to have a cynical take on things, especially politics at this level.
But I feel a lot more enthusiastic about this race today than I did before the announcement.
Lefties will temper their enthusiasm accordingly, if they have any at all, I guess. But I think there's something real at stake and this isn't "over."
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 2:29 pm
by penningtron
She got $50 million in donations overnight. Like someone said earlier there's no way she'd be on top of the ticket any other way, but shit's so weird now it kind of makes sense.
Re: Politics
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 2:37 pm
by DaveA
I don't think either party/candidate should be calling this ahead of time.
[Edited to minimize yesterday's rambling.]