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Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:12 am**

I agree that it seems pretty weird - but then, I'm not sure it seems weirder to me than the idea that people might gain pleasure from sex with children, and be willing to go to such lengths to obtain it.

Whatever way you look at it, whatever happened, it's weird.

With regards to the pact of silence - I think the theory goes something like this: initial information that could have been key to solving the crime but might have implicated the McCanns in some way was omitted by the group at the McCanns' request. This might have been simply that they were drunk and that they hadn't been checking on their kids, because this information would have demonised them and possibly (I have no idea, I ain't no lawyer) made them liable to some kind of neglect charge or another? What happened next was a massive snowball type thingy, as the "media machine" was put in place - and the members of the group felt increasingly intimidated by it, and unable to come clean about the true details of the case.

I don't know if that's any more plausible... perhaps.

If it's true, as reported in Sol, that 11 bottles of wine were consumed by 9 people in two hours, and that everyone was drinking, then it's fair to say that they were all steaming or thereabouts. Maybe that clouded their judgement and their instinct, in their guilt at their neglect, was to lie - even if it was just about the fact that they'd not been checking on their kid as often as they should have been/claimed to do. Maybe one of the parents killed the child in a drunken accident, and realised that he/she would be in double shit if it was found out that they were under the influence.

I really don't know.

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:22 am**

Alberto the Frog wrote:Is the implication then that there is a cover-up involving the friends of the group?

It would apparently seem so. Although, the McCann's have the right not to answer anything that would incriminate them. But as far as I've read the police are unhappy with the cooperation of the friends.

Alberto the Frog wrote:It seems truly remarkable if so, both that a group of friends could so swiftly embark on a program to hide a child's death and (more significantly?) that they should so gamble their futures on their non-existent (presumably) criminal acumen.

Remarkable indeed! Without the body the time of death is hard to corroborate. Problems seem to be arising around the time that Madeline was last seen and the McCann's are having trouble finding anyone who had seen her the day of her disappearance. Hair found in the boot of the car may help the police determine the time death and if sedatives were at all present, although I'm uncertain as to how.

The group may be implicated in the death somehow, that is one hypothesis. For example, if one of the doctors recommended the use of sedatives or were also sedating their own children, then they might be complicit in the death. In this way there could be a vested interest in a cover-up and they may well have had more time than we imagine to hide the evidence. I know it is being reported in the UK now that the Portuguese Police are very interested in what Kate McCann was doing in the six hours before she arrived at the fateful meal.

I've recently read of a whole bunch of cases of accidental death of minors in which non-prescription drugs have been used to help children sleep (one in which a nanny used Benadryl mixed with baby-formula). Allergic reaction may be a possiblity, as well as build-up in the child's system if the drug was used over a period.

Alberto The Frog wrote:These are intelligent people, presumably broadly moral people (being doctors and all). It is hard to believe that such a group could be responsible, or at least would choose to be responsible. Even if they are (to a man/woman) entirely evil people, one would have thought that self-preservation would have prevented such an act, no?

Yes, and doctors never kill anybody.

There is speculation that if the PJ can't be certain of a conviction for murder or manslaughter, they may go for neglect, which is an imprisonable offence in Portugal.

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:31 am**

Oh and oddly, some guy called Eef Hoos, has become a person of interest to the police. He is a criminal and convicted Dutch terrorist that runs a pet crematorium and incinerator 20 Miles from Praia De Luz:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ddy221.xml

Apparently, he is next to be interviewed.

Mr Hoos, white-haired and bespectacled, said the police had told him to report to Portimao police station on Monday morning because of his notorious reputation.

He spent seven years in jail in Holland after a series of bomb attacks in 1988, in which one person was seriously injured.

"I blew up a police office, it was political," he said.

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:53 am**

"I blew up a police office, it was political," he said.

Very pithy. I like the cut of his jib!

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:57 am**

Cranius wrote:Oh and oddly, some guy called Eef Hoos, has become a person of interest to the police. He is a criminal and convicted Dutch terrorist that runs a pet crematorium and incinerator 20 Miles from Praia De Luz:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ddy221.xml

Apparently, he is next to be interviewed.

Mr Hoos, white-haired and bespectacled, said the police had told him to report to Portimao police station on Monday morning because of his notorious reputation.

He spent seven years in jail in Holland after a series of bomb attacks in 1988, in which one person was seriously injured.

"I blew up a police office, it was political," he said.

Okay, who the twatting hell is writing this script?! Have the McCanns hired a Hollywood hack to maintain interest in the case?

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:58 am**

simmo wrote:
"I blew up a police office, it was political," he said.

Very pithy. I like the cut of his jib!

Hey! Everyone has a talent and his is burning shit:

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:02 am**

Rimbaud III wrote:Okay, who the twatting hell is writing this script?! Have the McCanns hired a Hollywood hack to maintain interest in the case?

Oh, did I mention that the McCann's have hired the SAS to look for Madeleine.

(except not in Portugal, where it is illegal to hire private investigators in relation to an ongoing investigation)

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:09 am**

The Mail, from Cranius' link wrote:CRG has been paid more than £ 112million over three years by the Government for security work in Iraq, where its Baghdad station was set up by Jamie Blount, a former Foreign Office official and cousin of singer James Blunt (who dropped the "o" from his name).

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:10 am**

Alberto the Frog wrote:Is the implication then that there is a cover-up involving the friends of the group? It seems truly remarkable if so, both that a group of friends could so swiftly embark on a program to hide a child's death and (more significantly?) that they should so gamble their futures on their non-existent (presumably) criminal acumen.

These are intelligent people, presumably broadly moral people (being doctors and all). It is hard to believe that such a group could be responsible, or at least would choose to be responsible. Even if they are (to a man/woman) entirely evil people, one would have thought that self-preservation would have prevented such an act, no?

Just to add to what I wrote before: Two of the tapas party, Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien had their child via IVF treatment, like the McCanns--in fact, their daughter was born in the same hospital at exactly the same time as Madeleine. The likelihood is that they are very close. Could it be that in the event of an accidental death the McCann's worried that they would have their twins taken into care and asked for their friend's help? Given that Tanner and O'Brien would implicitly understand what the McCann's had gone through in order to have their children, would they perhaps not feel obliged to help their friends?

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:17 am**

Rimbaud III wrote:Okay, who the twatting hell is writing this script?! Have the McCanns hired a Hollywood hack to maintain interest in the case?

Ripped from the Daily Behemoth

Affleck may pull film because of Madeleine

As the parents of Madeleine McCann faced further torture this week after being named formal suspects by the Portuguese police, a Disney film which bears striking similarities to their story may be pulled from our screens for fear of offending the family of the missing four-year-old.

Gone Baby Gone, the directorial debut of the actor Ben Affleck, recounts the tragic tale of a four-year-old girl who is snatched from her bed as her mother leaves her alone in the house. What is more, the child actress playing the role shares Madeleine's first name, Madeline O'Brien, and is said to look very much like her.

Affleck, who is presenting the film, which is due out in November, at the Deauville Film Festival in France, says that he is prepared to take steps to prevent it from being released in Britain.

"We are acutely aware of the situation," he says. "We have a greater concern for that than the release of our film, which is just a commercial matter, whereas this is a matter of life and death. I'm not up to date on the details and it is not something that has taken off in the United States in the way it has in the UK. It is only when someone said there was this case that was very similar to my film that we looked it up.

"We don't want to release the movie if it is going to touch a nerve or inflame anybody's sensitivities."

Note to reader-
Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner are two members of the McCann 'party of eight' who holidayed in Praia da Luz. They are married, with a child said to be 'exactly the same age' as Madeleine. Both Madeleine and her 'twin' were born via IVF treatment... and Jane Tanner is reported as having been present with Kate McCann during the birth of Madeleine in Amsterdam.

The actress is Cry Baby Gone is called Madeline O'Brien...

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