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Re: Politics

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:57 pm
by jfv
^ I don't necessarily think that a "center" needs to be represented, but I do think more diplomacy is needed.

The intolerance of the two parties of those that have opinions straying from the party line has gotten extreme. You conform to the party line or you are ostracized. And I’m not just referring to the moderates; look what happened to Bernie in 2016.

More listening and reasoning needs to happen.

Re: Politics

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:02 pm
by Anthony Flack
WTF, Shinzo Abe has just been assassinated?!

Re: Politics

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:15 pm
by jfv
^ I see shot and hospitalized, i.e. attempted assassination, but point taken.

New things are wrong with the world, and it’s definitely not just constrained to the USA.

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:15 am
by A_Man_Who_Tries
No excuse needed for the best protest song of recent times.


Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:56 am
by Dovira
Really interested in the motives behind this. The most obvious candidate would be some disgruntled rightwinger, but Abe certainly has no weak spots in his track record in that regard. I haven't kept close watch on Japan over the recent years, but what could he have done to make somebody that pissed? Esp since he's been out of office for more than a year. The statement released from the suspect, a former soldier, just says he was "dissatisfied".

He is confirmed dead, by the way.

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:25 am
by jfv
^ Yeah, I saw when I woke up a bit ago. Tragic.

Any political leader, current or former, has a huge bullseye on their back, regardless of how popular they are/were. Motive may not have even been that strong and could have been more of a crime of opportunity... I don't know but I'm guessing Japan spends far less on security detail for their former leaders than the USA...

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:09 am
by A_Man_Who_Tries
kokorodoko wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:56 am The most obvious candidate would be some disgruntled rightwinger...
Hardly.

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:20 pm
by Curry Pervert
Police investigating the assassination of Japan's ex-prime minister Shinzo Abe have said the suspect held a grudge against a "specific organisation".

The alleged gunman, named as Tetsuya Yamagami, 41, believed Abe was part of the group and shot him for that reason, they said, without naming the group.

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:37 pm
by Clyde
enframed wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:51 am https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... el/629369/

Pretty good article about political polarization today and what may have contributed it: social media (algorithms, specifically).

There is a pay wall but you get a certain number of Atlantic articles free.

Before I even clicked on the article, I thought to myself, "I bet Jonathan Haidt wrote this." For those who are unfamiliar, Haidt has a very specific ideology (basically, third-way centrism) that he's been pushing for the last decade and a half under the auspices of doing unbiased social science. If you're curious, here are some critiques of his project: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/ ... ind-review
https://thebaffler.com/latest/solutioni ... -greenwald
https://www.niskanencenter.org/there-is ... -evidence/
Me, I'm probably not likely to take advice from a guy who pals around with world-class herbs like Steven Pinker and Thomas Chatterton Williams, but if that's your thing, go wild, I guess, but caveat emptor.
Now, on its face it seems absurd that the last decade or so has been uniquely polarizing, (like, what about Jim Crow laws or the Vietnam War?) which to his credit he acknowledges somwehat, although he also makes a direct comparison between Trumpism and "callout culture," which, come on, give me a fucking break. Also, using the term "social death" to refer to somebody being called a racist and ratioed on twitter and both-sideing Covid responses from the left and the right are both deeply, deeply stupid.

Okay, but what about his larger point that this is all because of social media and algorithms? Well, the problem with that as Osita Nwanevu has pointed out is that:

I’ve shared figures like this before ⁠— on Twitter, ironically ⁠— but they’re worth repeating here. Every so often, the Pew Research Center publishes data on where Americans get their news. According to surveys conducted mid-last year, a 52 percent majority of Americans still say they don’t get their news from social media even “sometimes;” that number includes over a quarter of Americans under 30. (On Twitter specifically, Pew finds that 77 percent of Americans don’t use the site.) Pew’s validated voter data suggests about a 55 percent majority of the electorate was over the age of 50 in 2020; their news surveys show that only 38 percent of Americans 50-64 and 31 percent of Americans over 65 report getting any news from social media.

None of that means that Twitter and social media haven’t been influential and that those numbers aren’t steadily rising; I’m certain they’ll continue to. But the central medium of influence in American politics and cultural life is still, far and away, television, which remains a news source for 68 percent of Americans and the preferred source for the older Americans who are the likeliest to engage with politics, the likeliest to vote, and the likeliest to have their votes actually matter.
https://ositanwanevu.ghost.io/stupid-is-as-stupid-does/

As for his solutions? Well, they're pretty much bog-standard DLC talking points mixed with letting the reasonable technocrats tweak Facebook and Twitter a bit to promote civil debate. Let a thousand Evan Bayh's bloom! Well, as Anton Chigurh once said, "If the rule you followed brought you to this, what use was the rule?"

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:20 pm
by Anthony Flack
I knew Abe wasn't going to be recovering from a shotgun blast through his chest.