Bush hitting the booze again

21
o.k.
while i was waiting for a reply to my points, i DID search this sites engine for FEMA, and it's pretty clear that you people just flat out don't like Bush, and have managed to justify placing blame on him no matter what he does.
my points still stand, uncontested.
Bush did not do anything wrong here.
Bush has been doing a good job.
How long has it been since a Pres has had to deal with so much catastrophe and misery, and if he has been drinking- good for him.
who wouldn't?
"Basically, he's a worthless scumbag, and this is the only way he can get his kicks."

Bush hitting the booze again

24
very well thought out.
your rebuttal has done a fine job of illustrating that you simply cannot reasonably argue that Bush is at fault here, and that I am correct in my assessment that Bush haters will hate on Bush no matter what happens.

isn't it sad how opportunistic Bush haters are? I mean THOUSANDS of people's lives have been ruined and all you can focus on is trying to bash the President because he is Republican? All you can think about is how to take a COMPLETELY random disaster and use it to attack a political opponent.

yeah i've been looking these forums over and i've been wasting my time.
what else is Bush's fault?
why not blame him for the heat waves that kill hundreds of elderly every year?

you guys are just way too smart for me.
i mean, i am an "idiot" and a "troll" right?

grow up kids, you are embarrasing yourselves.
"Basically, he's a worthless scumbag, and this is the only way he can get his kicks."

Bush hitting the booze again

26
TheMadChaosopher wrote:you guys are just way too smart for me.
i mean, i am an "idiot" and a "troll" right?

grow up kids, you are embarrasing yourselves.


no. look, people take the bait all the time around here. but everything you are saying is retarded, and your handle is just too stupid for anyone to get worked up into arguing with you.

it's too much work to just state the obvious to someone who can't spell and doesn't use a real name

but...i can't resist sketching it out

1. bush administration cut the funding drastically for the army corps of engineers, in partic a vital project to beef up the nola levee system. some funding cuts came at the hands of (the republican-controlled) congress, but there's little doubt who was behind all of them. also, there's been little attempt to hide the fact that the iraq war impacted their funding in a major way.

2. knocked FEMA from cabinet-level post down to subordinate to homeland security, and generally neglected it and allowed it to decay

3. nominated michael chertoff, a lawyer w/no direct experience with disaster relief, as head of homeland security.

4. nominated michael brown, a dipshit who got fired as head of some arabian horse society and didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, as FEMA chief.

5. refused to fire brown despite the entreaties of many highly placed elected officials who knew he was a train wreck waiting to happen.

6. stayed put on vacation in crawford while this gigantic, verifiably catastrophic natural disaster approached the most vulnerable spot in the gulf.

7. didn't leave the ranch for two days thereafter. condi rice was in nyc watching plays and shopping for shoes. no one's quite sure where dick cheney was.

8. failed to oversee relief efforts to any extent, delegating powers to his aforementioned unqualified employees, and passing the buck to advisers when gov. blanco and mayor nagin asked the white house directly for help.

he didn't do shit until the depth of the incompetence on a federal level became so clear that his own party was savaging him publicly. he didn't do shit b/c the people involved in the disaster didn't mean anything to him or anyone he runs with in a political sense, and he's conditioned not to care about them. period.

yes, no one (democrat or republican) in the white house has made it a priority to put a robust levee system down there. we've known how bad this could be for fifty years. but until bush, we had SOME kind of reasonable governmental infrastructure to deal w/natural disaster. he gutted it. and then he neglected to use what he had in place.

that's what he did wrong, in ten minutes

a COMPLETELY random disaster


so, so wrong

everyone knew the hurricane was coming, and everyone with a brain knew what was gonna happen when the levee was first breached on tuesday morning or whenever

people have been writing articles and books about this shit for YEARS

the gov't's own weather service said exactly what was going to happen as a result, in advance of landfall

and still the bush administration got caught with its pants down

Bush hitting the booze again

27
It's late and I need to sleep soon, so I'm only going to rebut one point for now:

TheMadChaosopher wrote:I mean THOUSANDS of people's lives have been ruined and all you can focus on is trying to bash the President because he is Republican?


It's not because he's Republican. It's because he's the man in charge, and he didn't respond quickly enough. It has nothing to do with partisanship, and that is honestly the truth for me at least.

The reason a lot of people (including myself) so vehemently want to have this failure investigated is because we don't want the same thing to happen again. And lo and behold, Rita is coming. Next year could be worse still for hurricanes. I'd like to know that there's a competent set of responders ready with a plan that they know how to execute.

I can't look at this timeline and come to any other conclusion than "Bush and a lot of his reports didn't do their job". It's from a left wing blog, but if you can find one online that makes Bush out to be anything other than incompetent during the first few days of the disaster, I would really like to see it.

Where does the buck stop? For me, it's with the guy at the top.

I guess this post of mine neatly sums up how I felt during the debacle.

Shit, tmidgett has just written a much better rebuttal than mine. Salut Tim for the rising to the troll!

Bush hitting the booze again

28
TheMadChaosopher wrote:just curiously, why does everyone blame Bush for this catastrophe?

Because he took no measures in advance, despite ample warning, to mitigate the impact of a national catastrophe. Because he gutted FEMA, which was intended to help in situations precisely like this. Because he installed inexperienced fools as its figurehead. Because his administration actively prevented the Army Corps of Engineers from buttressing the very levees and seawalls that collapsed. Because he waited days to acquaint himself with the severity of the event. Because he didn't ask congress to reconvene, as they had for less pressing matters, like Terry Schiavo's feeding tube. Because he didn't insist that his Vice President join him in Washington to assist in the matter. Because he said "Brownie" was doing "a fine job," which is either a lie or evidence that he doesn't know his dick from a tree.

what about the Gov of Louisiana, the mayor of N.O., and their cops and firemen?

They were overrun with local chaos, and did what they could with local resources. If you think they could have done more, you're welcome to think so. They asked for help when it was obvious the problems were beyond their ability to cope. They got no attention for days.
what did Bush do wrong?

See the above.

this was the biggest natural disaster in American history, and all i can wonder is: what do people expect Bush to have done?

There are some excellent suggestions here.

put on his red cape and fly down there to save everyone?
i mean, we ARE split up into States, we DO have local Governments to handle this stuff, so how did Bush- personally- do anything wrong?

He -personally- made sure that nothing was done, and made sure that preventive measures (and the very office that would respond to such a crisis) were neutered.

maybe the response wasn't "slow" because Bush doesn't care about black people, maybe the response was "slow" because this hurricane wiped the entire region out and it takes a couple of days to mobilize after something like this.

Which is precisely why he should be held accountable for not being prepared, despite advance warning. That is his job.

and pardon me but if this happened in Chicago it wouldn't even occur to me to sit around on my roof and wait for the Gov to come save me. I WOULD JUST START WALKING/SWIMMING NORTH!

And when you get to the bridge out of town, and there are sherrifs there who shoot at you and tell you you're not welcome on their side of the bridge, whose responsibility is it to make them stand down?

have you ever been to the DMV?
ever have to go to the Sec of State's office for anything at all?

Both good examples of why citizens cannot trust in overworked, underfunded state agencies in times of enormous crisis.

ever have any problems at the post office?
EVERYTHING the Gov does is slow and inefficient, that's why we can't expect them to solve our problems.

So you think a private company could come to your door every day, take something from you, and deliver it directly to anyone else in the country's doorstep for less than 37 cents? You're delusional. Fedex wants $15. The Post Office is a perfect example of efficiency of scale administered by a Federal agency.
those refugees should be saying. "wow, it took less than a week for the Gov to help me and get me some water and food"

The refugees have lost everything they ever had to a preventable tragedy. Why should they not be angry with the man responsible for the failure to prevent it?

instead they're screaming, "WHY WASNT THE GOV THERE THE MINUTE THE STORM ENDED TO HELP US!?"
why?

Because they are in anguish, and they recognize that they have been left derelict by the government they pay for.

because they suck thats why, is that news to anyone?
does that really shock anyone?

Shock at general government laziness is not the same as recognizing the insult that your government knew you were in danger, prevented the danger from being ameliorated, and then took its sweet time in responding when it could no longer ignore you.

it's not because of race, its just cuz our Gov is so corrupt and slow that things take time.
LOTS of time.

Which is why being prepared is more important than "taking responsibility" after the fact.

watch a city road crew work fixing the roads, they don't race around like worker ants on meth, they do LOTS of standing around, and even a simple pothole takes days or weeks to fix.

Potholes are less urgent than people drowning in their own homes and hospital beds. Being lazy at filling a pothole will rarely kill anyone. The two are not really analogous.

i think given the situation he entered into Bush has been doing a really good job as President.

I think he hasn't. The situation he entered into is the situation of being President, and all that comes with it.

He's addressing the terrorist problem that Clinton chose to ignore (his administration knew about Al-Qaida- they DID bomb the USS Cole on Clinton's watch but our economy was too good for him to want to start a war), he's lowering out taxes (i personally get 16$ a week more on my weekly paycheck since his last tax cut. what other Pres has actually gotten the Gov to take ANY less of our paychecks?), and he has done a really good job at sticking to the platform that he ran on.

The bit about a "humble" foreign policy and not "nation building" has slipped your mind, apparently. He has also squandered our budget surplus and turned us into a debtor nation. That's where your $16 came from. From the willful destruction of a great nation.

i don't like Bush, i HATE all politicians, but considering our options, Bush really was the best choice, and he has been doing a fine job.

I can only disagree with your final clauses. The first is spot on.
Last edited by steve_Archive on Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
steve albini
Electrical Audio
sa at electrical dot com
Quicumque quattuor feles possidet insanus est.

Bush hitting the booze again

29
"The state and local government should've asked for help sooner!"

"What's good for the goose is good for the gander!"

Boy. the fucking mentality makes no sense. The people most likely to use cliches are the people most likely to blame someone else.

C'mon asshole. Who the fuck else is to blame for slow action down south during hurricane-time than GW's?

He SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEGGING the gov. of Louisiana for a request for help.

He's a piece of shit, and so are you.
The cat with the toast, once it's free in the air, will float at its cat-toast equilibrium point, where butter repulsion forces and cat forces are in balance.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests