Tom wrote:

jayryan wrote: rustic bucket said that they WOULD tour more, "but except for karl's leg, you know..." we had no idea what they were talking about.

This made me laugh.
Rustic Bucket. What an awful name.
There is a band that plays around Lansing somtimes called Acoustic Hookah. I think that Rustic Bucket might get along with them... if it weren't for Karl's leg.

Both of those bands would have gotten along famously with Missoula's "The Original Booty Burglars."

As horribly white-boy-frat-funk these guys were, we wondered how bad the other "Booty Burglars" who prompted these guys to add the "Original" to their name were.

G. G. Allen really used the house volcal mikes (I guess this would happen less towards the end of his days as people were aware of G. G.'s showmanship). But I wonder how it was to go up there and use the mike after a G. G. show? I guess you could sell his mikes on ebay now, and verify it still has G. G. DNA on the screen, maybe they would display them at the Hard Rock Cafe's.

Do agree that short set shows that bands should share drums but that should be set up by all before showing up.

Hey another thing is opening acts who push the whole show back by not going on stage on time. At one point it got so bad one club had a policy that if you did not get up on stage within 15 minutes of show time you were cut from the show. The later you got on the end of your set remained the same. It was funny to see the bands whose drummer had "gone out for a sandwich", jump on stage and the drummer would appear from the bar.

C. Rabbit that sounds like a lousy band experence. Did see a band play from Gorilla amps like you icon at CBGB's and it sounded great.

Saw a band called "The Full Tilt Boogie Band" the singer was a really ugly hooker that was out on 13th street during the day but the band was kind of lousy but interesting in a train wreck kind of phyco way.

Martha Wainwright was a cunt to me. We were in the dressing room before her show and after ours, and just as she was leaving to go on I said "good luck with the set!". I was greeted by nothing but an icy who-the-fuck-do-you-think-you-are-talking-to-me stare.

Not played with but promoted a show for - Jackie O Motherfucker. Legendary cunts. Ask anyone in Nottingham. They burnt some bridges, let's juste say that.....

Nicest bands I have played with: Explosions in the Sky, Matt Elliott, Stinking Lizaveta, The Unit Ama, The Shipping News. Although Jason Noble is decidedly odd. Lovely, but odd.

I think the worst is playing with a band and thinking that they suck on a musical level, but then afterwards discovering that they're absolutely lovely. I find that much worse than discovering a band you like are a bunch of dicks...

D.O.A. were always great guys, no matter who was in the band, but particularly during the Fave Gregg era. Minor Threat were great people.

Fang were insufferable assholes.

Circle Jerks weren't the most friendly guys but ended up doing my band a great favor. We'd played with them twice in Louisville and were set to do so again at the Jockey Club, just across the river from Cincinnati. When we arrived, we learned that the show had been overbooked and were told we could not play. "Look," I said. "We just drove all the way from Louisville--we might not get paid, but we're damn sure gonna play."

I was in the process of deciding who I'd hit in the face first when Keith Morriss said, "Here's what we're gonna do. Every band, including the Circle Jerks, will cut their set by ten minutes. Malignant Growth can go up right before we do; to save time, they can just use our gear." Needless to say, we never sounded better or louder--those guys had much better shit than we ever did.

Salut, Circle Jerks! You saved the day back in '83.

borrowing an instrument to cover for a freshly broken instrument is a very different thing from an opener assuming they can use the headliner's equipment. dianogah broke a snare drum while on stage opening for sebadoh, and thankfully jason lowenstien was eventually convinced to let us borrow his. we didn't show up thinking "oh, we'll just use jason's kit".

just because the opening band's drummer doesn't really care how his drums are tuned doesn't mean the other band's drummer isn't (justifiably) picky.

the last scenario which si-maro cites, above, is called "when bad music happens to good people", which is a name coined by mr. mayfair.

Sure. I wasn't offering that anecdote as a counter to you initial post. Just a situation of a band being dicks.

We played with a band at Nyabinghi in Youngstown whose drummer actually brought his kit but didn't feel like setting it up so he asked to use ours. Our drummer politely said no.
What really made this funny was our drummer has a massive huge kit (like 28" kick drum big kit). The dude who asked to borrow it brought out this tiny little club kit and he proceded to play these complex tight little beats that would've been terrible on a king kit.

Big John wrote:Well rabbit man, I would have to say paying to haul gear to a show and having other acts I don't know give me a hard time about not loaning them my equipment. Showing up to a show without any equipment and planing to borrow all the gear including guitars from people you don't know is bad personal behavior. I usally find their whineing entertaining they should steal their mom's credit or card or go over to the west side and hussle their asses and buy some gear as opposed borrowing mine.

For me the borrowing experence is nearly as fun as when you let someone borrow your gear and they trash it and walk away. Had a band mate let a band borrow a guitar and amp to do a show. They set fire to his amp a torlex vibrolux and then smashed the guitar a 65 Epiphone Casino. Their reply after the show was like you let me borrow it and thats "punk rock". The pay back was a fuck you dude. It was epecially great as we were on tour and they were a opening act.

So in my book having someone tell you to bring your own gear does not qualify as being assholes. Howeaver saying to a person who is pestering you to use your gear to "fuck off" is really "punk rock".

did someone steal your punctuation, too?

Champion Rabbit wrote:It's really all about

'Yeah, you can use my kit!'

vs

'No, my kit is special. Stand away from my kit!'

If the opening band shows up without a drum kit, that band shouldn't expect to :
A) play the show
B) get paid or
C) see the show free.

It is a dick move to jeopardize a touring band's equipment and complicate their already hectic life because you are lazy. Dick move. Don't do it.

I haven't really been in one band for long enough to have much experience, but one of my bands played some shows with the Sillies and they were super nice to us. They decided they wanted to reach the younger generation or something like that and we booked them at a couple parties where they got paid approximately nothing. But they always said they had a great time and got us some shows in detroit in return.
And I can't remember which band(s) of mine played with them, but I think I remember playing with Zero Tolerance Task Force (Freddy, Derek RIP) twice, and those guys were always gracious and awesome.

DrAwkward wrote:Rocket From the Tombs were even fairly cordial, although Dave Thomas called choppy and Yale "pudwhackers" or some such.
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he called us young pud wacking little punks, and then shook my hand and asked if I want a swig from his flask (which I assume was filled with gasoline)