nah, don't go to a monster truck ralley. it sounds a lot more fun than it is. (went to one when i was eighteen and it was boring as hell.)

ceelo wrote:simple issue of rights. If I don't smoke, I should have the right not to. someone else should not be deciding that for me by coming in my airspace with their smoke.

Pffftt...whatever.

SacredAndProfane wrote:Pffftt...whatever.

You sound very presidential.

ceelo wrote:simple issue of rights. If I don't smoke, I should have the right not to. someone else should not be deciding that for me by coming in my airspace with their smoke.

Equally, someone else should not be coming in my airspace with their non-smoke.

Smoking's banned in enclosed public spaces in Scotland. Now you have to smell body odour/spilt drinks/stale piss in pubs or at gigs.

I'd rather smell smoke.

Let's say a bunch of people are minding their own business, doing what pleases them in a bar.

Someone walks into the bar and says, "Stop it! I don't like what you're doing in this bar! That's why I hate coming here! I demand that you stop so I can come in here without being offended by what you are doing!"

Why on earth should the people in the bar not tell him to fuck off and find a bar where they don't do what he is so offended by? What they were happily doing among themselves?

This applies equally to smoking, cocksucking, hippy dancing, gambling, nude-model life drawing, high-fiving, watching the World Cup...

that sounds like a fairly weak status quo argument to me,
yes, your scenario is absurd, that one person would be rediculous if they tried to impose their will on the group. but if half the room was unhappy with second hand smoke, (a far more realistic situation), the smokers would be equally unfair to impose their choice on the others purely on the basis that this is how they like things and things are not for changing

I've enjoyed breathing Todd and Steve's 2nd hand smokes.

Smooooth.

They banned smoking in the bars in Minneapolis and St. Paul.

The previously masked smells of body odours, farts, sickening perfumes and years of spilt beverages are now assaulting my senses. I too would rather smell cigs.

another good thing about cigarette smoke is that it keeps mosquitos away.