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It's nice to come here and see that people think the same way I do. I've never liked CDs at all, less from a sonic standpoint and more the fact that they just seem so throwaway to me. If I want to own a piece of music, I want to own it on vinyl. As a format it's big and tactile and I can't make my own! That's the centre of it for me, if I want something on CD I can copy someone elses or I can download the mp3s and burn it. If i want something on tape, I can copy it. If I want something on vinyl, the only (realistic) way to have it is to buy it. It's the only format with no alternatives and workarounds.

If I want to listen to a piece of music rather than hear it, I place my record on the turntable and enjoy. If I want to hear some music, I just play mp3s from my computer. It's convenient but it's different. I've never felt anything special when playing a CD. I absolutely don't care about the sound quality of CDs/vinyl/mp3s it's how I feel when I'm listening to it - I would take the most crackly, dusty record over any CD/DVD-Audio,SACD in the world.

I own about 40 cds (from the days when you had to search for mp3s on websites - anyone remember that?), hundreds of records and tens of thousands of mp3s. I generally download first to see if I like it and then buy the wax. So for me getting the mp3s with the record wouldn't be something I'm desperate for but I definitely wouldn't say it's a bad idea.

If music is available only on CD - I ain't buyin it!

...that was boringly long wasn't it?! :)

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I'm all about this. I've seen more and more LP releases either come with a free mp3 download or a free CD. When Police Teeth releases our first record this fall, it will be a 12"+CD package.

A paraphrased discussion with a friend.

Friend: So, is it coming out on CD, too?
Us: Nah.
Friend: But don't you think more people want to buy CD's?
Us: The LP will come with a CD. Buy the LP, listen to the CD, and turn the record into a fuckin' wall clock or something. We don't care.
Police Teeth: we like Void so much, we decided not to sound like them.

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Brinkman wrote:
bassdriver wrote:the "1000 hurts" vinyl included a free cd. bravura!


A couple LPs by Microphones/Mt. Eerie offered this as well. Though I prefer Shellac's "Prayer To God" by a wide margin.


I have a bunch of Microphones/Mt. Eerie records with CDs and such...all of them have CDs, although I believe some of the newer stuff has CD-Rs as opposed to silver under-sided (how's that for a technical term for "fancy?") CDs.

I really love Phil Elverum's music.

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As much as I dislike the compact disc, it is not so much an issue about the aesthetic of digital music per se, as it is about the marketing of digital music to the consumer. Essentially, it boils down to the current limitations of the "consumer-level" CD-player at any given moment.
For instance, a Brian Eno recording from the 1970s, such as Here Come the Warm Jets, exists on a reel of magentic tape. From that tape a series of vinyl pressing exist (albeit varying in quality) that you can still obtain to this day. I purchased one myself shortly after the Phonocomb LP 'Fresh Gasoline" came out.
There also exists, for the digital-oriented consumer, a couple different compact disc pressings, the older of which is now considered obsolete. The reason for this disparity between the two digital counterparts has to do with the state-of-the-art consumer-level compact disc player in the late 80s/early 90s, and the current "high-end" SACD player that exists today.
A case-and-point I experienced first-hand when the said Brian Eno CD reissue was released. I was working at a record store, counting a till in the office while my manager was playing the recent SACD of Here Come the Warm Jets. I was commenting on how glad I was to see the album re-released but dissapointed it wasn't "better" sounding (having been used to the vinyl pressing). He was used to the vintage digital pressing and found it highly superior. He went so far as to call me deaf, and so on. This was slightly unnerving, so I thought about it to the point that I reevaluated why I ever bought vinyl in the first place.
I've since come to realize that with vinyl, you are issued a pressing, and that pressing (if mastered and manufactered with care) is something to be cherished. If you have a shitty record player, a shitty stylus, and a shitty amplifier, you can still enjoy that great music, even through your shitty speakers. If you can geek out on gear like I do, that great music sounds even better with a better turntable, a better stylus, and a better amplification system and speaker setup without having to buy the same record all over again.
In short, when you buy vinyl, you are purchasing a high-fidelity analogue phonograph of that/those artist(s) in a recording environment. You're assuming the engineers were compentent enough to do their job correctly and capture what it is like to be with This Artist in This Space doing This Thing. For pre-digital master recordings, digital media will always be playing fidelity catch-up to it's analogue counterparts, except in respect to the "surface-noise" component, which is increasingly less a selling point in comparison to the financial strain of the subsequent digital reissues expected for any given album.
As for current digital recordings go, I'm not one to speculate, but I fear that today's state-of-the-art digital masters will become an obsolete form more soon than expected. This is not to say that bands will stop making digital recordings, as much as it is to say that the demand for ease-of-accessability will take it's toll on the idea of preserving the album-as-statement (if it hasn't already) to the point that music recording is no longer archival, but rather artifacted.

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Something got me thinking tonight.

I grew up with a broken Vinyl player in our house. When I seriously got into music as a teenager, I started buying CDs as that was what was done and I didn't know any better. Over the past few years, i've only had a cd player (wasn't bothered with an mp3 player because of the price/inferior quality compared to Wav). However, I know that some day in the (hopefully near) future when I can afford it, i'll buy a good turntable setup. Thus, I buy CDs so I can listen to music at the best quality currently available to me (and obviously pay the artist).

Last night I ordered an MP3 player and now i'm ripping my cds to 256kbps mp3s. I'm tired of carrying a CD wallet in my bag and I've also found myself listening to music on my computer more and more lately. I doubt i'd actually be able to tell the difference between Wav and 256kbps mp3 - even with the 18K (or whatever value) cutoff level.

So, I went to buy an album today and realised that buying a CD would be a stupid idea now. It seems logical to buy the Vinyl (to be used in the future) and just download the mp3s, right?* I mean, would people agree?


Not that I endorse downloading in any way... :roll:
- Andy

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My question is more of a logistical one I think...how would you prevent the .mp3s from being downloaded by people that didn't buy the record? I mean, I guess you would just have to assume that people who bought the album wouldn't post the links on a blog/board and/or post the actual mp3s up somewhere (like on RapidShare or something). Is that what you're assuming here?
Oh, and fuck Mars Volta.

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matador is releasing this way for certain albums anyway. you buy the record and a card with an access code allows you to dl the mp3s. i think it's a great idea because we can't listen to lp's in our cars. and cd books get to be a bitch to carry around.

i mostly buy records but i will buy cd's if i can't find what i want on lp for a reasonable price.

i loved how my 1000 hurts cd aarived pre-scratched in the box with the lp. it was useless from the getgo.
To me Steve wrote:I'm curious why[...] you wouldn't just fuck off instead. Let's hear your record, cocksocket.

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ChristopherM wrote:My question is more of a logistical one I think...how would you prevent the .mp3s from being downloaded by people that didn't buy the record? I mean, I guess you would just have to assume that people who bought the album wouldn't post the links on a blog/board and/or post the actual mp3s up somewhere (like on RapidShare or something). Is that what you're assuming here?


I'd imagine the codes would be one-use tickets. Uploading to rapidshare is the age old issue that probably won't be solved, the same way you can't stop people ripping from/copying CDs.
- Andy

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