Wood Goblin wrote:

fortissimorecords wrote:I have been a vegetarian for a year and a half, and although I don't crave meat or like the idea of eating it, I'm now seriously considering going back to the flesh and bone. It seems like I just cant get enough essential vitamins and minerals like vitamin B12 and Iron. I try to eat as much spinach, nuts, seeds, all that shit, but I'm always tired and drained, looking fucked up and skinny.

Why not just take a daily multiple?

Because those don't work very well and don't even come close to replacing vitamins and minerals from food.

Though I can't understand how adequate servings of spinach and similar can't at least provide the B12 and iron you're after. Spinach has roughly half, per weight, the iron of red meat.

children should be fed meat, at least fish (including shellfish), bacon and eggs until they are old enough to make a decision themselves. it's cool if you don't want him to eat mammals, but you could be seriously hurting and depriving a bacon child by not allowing him to eat meat and by making him eat soy which his body can hardly digest anyway unless it's real tofu (and even that is questionable), tempeh, or miso.

if you eat "bars" that use isolated soy protein you are eating poison. you're body is only absorbing the sugar (of which there is a LOT) and hardly any protein at all. if you are gonna eat "bars" for nutrition you need to eat whey protein, but then you can't be vegan...dilemna...

the fact is that bacon some people NEED animal protein in their diets and do not thrive unless they have it. read a little about ayurveda. i'm not a "follower" of the system by any means but i believe the basic premise that some people simply need to eat meat and some don't, some people need more veggies and some more fruits.

i know so many vegetarians and vegans who get sick all the time when the answer that could be helping bacon them is to simply eat some fucking animal protein, even just some fucking eggs. but they are too "stubborn" (read, politically correct(?)) to do so.

imbeciles.

i see fat vegan hippies.

i am highly opinionated about this subject, i know.

I agree. I have a pretty healthy diet, so the multiple is more of a precaution. However, I went for years without taking one and felt fine.

fortissimorecords, do you exercise at all?

Drink unfiltered beer, like for instance a German weissbier. Yeast is loaded with vitamin B.

Skronk wrote:Eating one cupcake while in school doesn't negate being a vegan.

sure it does.

Ty Webb wrote:

Wood Goblin wrote:

fortissimorecords wrote:I have been a vegetarian for a year and a half, and although I don't crave meat or like the idea of eating it, I'm now seriously considering going back to the flesh and bone. It seems like I just cant get enough essential vitamins and minerals like vitamin B12 and Iron. I try to eat as much spinach, nuts, seeds, all that shit, but I'm always tired and drained, looking fucked up and skinny.

Why not just take a daily multiple?

Because those don't work very well and don't even come close to replacing vitamins and minerals from food.

Though I can't understand how adequate servings of spinach and similar can't at least provide the B12 and iron you're after. Spinach has roughly half, per weight, the iron of red meat.

..........because animal fats are a necessary addition to the protein to help it be absorbed and broken down by the body. Also spinach and other leafy greens require a long cooking time in order to break the cell walls down enough to potentially digest the nutrients. Otherwise all you're doing is ravaging your digestive system as it tries to get the good outta there, to no avail.

fortissimorecords wrote:I have been a vegetarian for a year and a half, and although I don't crave meat or like the idea of eating it, I'm now seriously considering going back to the flesh and bone. It seems like I just cant get enough essential vitamins and minerals like vitamin B12 and Iron. I try to eat as much spinach, nuts, seeds, all that shit, but I'm always tired and drained, looking fucked up and skinny.

I had this for dinner last night. I feel great. Let me assure you it's every bit as good as it looks and more. There are even some veggies in there....somewhere.

fortissimorecords wrote:I'm not giving up on vegetarianism, but it's not a walk in the park. Meat eaters take it for granted. Cunt’s.

We would love to welcome you back to the team anytime. There's a nice juicy steak with garlic and mushrooms just waiting for you over here. Come on back. We have a great team.

rachael wrote:..........because animal fats are a necessary addition to the protein to help it be absorbed and broken down by the body. Also spinach and other leafy greens require a long cooking time in order to break the cell walls down enough to potentially digest the nutrients. Otherwise all you're doing is ravaging your digestive system as it tries to get the good outta there, to no avail.

so raw spinach isn't good for you? i heard that spinach is easily overcooked and becomes poisonous.

i don't know what's truew anymore...

enframed wrote: i heard that spinach is easily overcooked and becomes poisonous.

i don't know what's true anymore...

Yes. This is a fact. All vegetables become poisonous after ample cooking.

DrAwkward wrote:Isn't it the case that if you raise your kids vegan from birth that their digestive systems don't develop the enzymes necessary to handle and digest meat, dairy, and poultry? I've heard stories second-hand of people who were raised vegan from birth and would get incredibly sick from just accidentally eating a bit of something that was in a brownie or whatever.

Seems that if that's the case, it'd be sort of mean to basically just take that choice away from your kids.

Vegans, please correct me if i'm wildly off base here. I'm totally being speculative as my evidence is merely anecdotal.

Aside from a discomfort, like stomach cramps, or gas, I don't think it would do anything serious.