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hogrot wrote:

kevin wrote:how inferior are the kramers?

somewhat - quite

i mean, i'm sure the build quality sucks in comparison, but has anyone ever compared the 2 side by side? what are the major sonic differences? ...other than one is "crap" and one is "not crap"

God damn. I am so totally consumed with jealousy at this moment, I just can't describe...

kevin wrote:

hogrot wrote:

kevin wrote:how inferior are the kramers?

somewhat - quite

i mean, i'm sure the build quality sucks in comparison, but has anyone ever compared the 2 side by side? what are the major sonic differences? ...other than one is "crap" and one is "not crap"

I haven't done an A-B comparison but I have played a 450G. It had less sustain than my bean, notes don't cut through as well.

Pure L- gratz on a good deal for a great guitar. If it doesn't live up to the PRF hype you could put it up on ebay and pocket close to $1000. Enjoy!

kevin wrote:how inferior are the kramers?

I had a Kramer 450G for awhile a few years ago. They are very low quality instruments IMO. The guitar I owned had huge gaps in the neck pocket and kept shifting because the necks are held in place by only three bolts. The poly finish was at least 1/8" thick, maybe more. The necks are cast aluminum rather than machined from billet, like Beans are. I can't prove it, but it seems to me that there could be less consistency with these cast necks, over those cut from billet aluminum. The 25" scale was pretty sweet feeling though.

hogrot wrote:
Pure L- gratz on a good deal for a great guitar. If it doesn't live up to the PRF hype you could put it up on ebay and pocket close to $1000. Enjoy!

Thanks, hogrot!

This is the first 6 string bean I've ever played (I've played a Bean bass but that's it).

Pretty impressive. Sustains the way I've always thought a guitar should sustain.

The guy who parted with it was pretty sad about letting it go. I told him I'd plug his business on the forum where I heard about the sale.

Here goes (might help to read this in that "monster truck" vocal-styling):

Stevens Pass/Sultan/Monroe/North Seattleites: Want a good deal on gear? Go Here: Big Apple Music, 409 Stevens Ave (SR2), Sultan WA 98294.
Email: bigapplemusic@msn.com

So you guys are aware of the fact that you are playing and worshiping this guitar because someone else does , right?

gnangle wrote:So you guys are aware of the fact that you are playing and worshiping this guitar because someone else does , right?

What?

gnangle wrote:So you guys are aware of the fact that you are playing and worshiping this guitar because someone else does , right?

Sure. I think everyone kinda does that with whatever guitar they choose. I love Teles (as does half the guitar playing community). I recently watched the Old Grey Whistle Test DVDs and was just in awe of all the wonderful Teles that performers were using.

I was that way about my Rickenbacker, too. A lot of cool people played them, they sounded

There's obviously the Shellac, Jesus Lizard, Keith Lavine noisy rock interest, but hey, they're good instruments. I'm sure there are a lot less people looking for Travis Bean 500s because of Steve Albini than there are people looking for Teles with neck humbuckers because of Keith Richards.

Cheers,
Ben Adrian

Pure L wrote:This bean.








She is mine.





TallChris, I owe you a beer. Wait......I'm broke now.

I owe you a can of warm beer brought from my house. (They're cheaper).

Feel free to bring one down to Egg tomorrow!

I'm glad you got the Bean Aaron, instead of it going to some rich Bellevue motherfucker.

sunset_gun wrote:

kevin wrote:how inferior are the kramers?

I had a Kramer 450G for awhile a few years ago. They are very low quality instruments IMO. The guitar I owned had huge gaps in the neck pocket and kept shifting because the necks are held in place by only three bolts. The poly finish was at least 1/8" thick, maybe more. The necks are cast aluminum rather than machined from billet, like Beans are. I can't prove it, but it seems to me that there could be less consistency with these cast necks, over those cut from billet aluminum. The 25" scale was pretty sweet feeling though.

It is almost universally true that machined metal parts will have more tensile strength than cast parts. In a guitar, I am pretty sure that translates into better sustain and clearer, punchier sound, as less of the strings' vibration would be lost due to vibration or flexing of the neck.

The company I work for makes pumps for heavy industrial applications, and there is a big price difference and vast performance gap between machined and cast parts.