caix wrote:TheMilford wrote:caix wrote:Those Projects sound ok. But honestly, the Music Halls blow them away. I had the opportunity to test these side-by-side in the store and the difference was startling.
FWIW they are both made in the same factory... there are some small differences from model to model. But over-all I found that they performed identicaly when comparing similarly priced models in the $200-$500 range
They're made in the same factory and they have the same tone arm. The stock needle that comes with the Project isn't all that great. The stock needle that comes with the Music Hall is pretty bad ass. Also, the Projects use a steel-cut platter that's pretty light. The Music Hall has a heavy glass platter.
Anyway, the difference really is major. Just because they're made in the same factory doesn't mean they sound close at all. Like I said, the only similarity between them is the tone arm.
Actually the Project III has a better tonearm than both the MMF 2 and the 5. It's basically the MMF 7 tonearm with a much nicer tone arm base and arm rest.
The plinth on the Project is a modest one-piece jobber about halfway in between the performance of the MMF 2 and the Rega Plannar 2. so there the MMF 5 is better.
The glass platter of the MMF 5 is nice but at the shop I worked at a few of these were unbalanced.
The MMF 5.1 is $699 whereas the project Debut III is only $329. The Project Debut III blows away the MMF 2 ($399) which is more expensive with a crappy tonearm and cart. And I actually like the Ortofon carts just fine... this will be replaced in a year or so anyway.
Me thinks the Project is a steal nestling right in-between the Music Hall models. Don't get me wrong I dig the Music Hall 'tables but I just feel that this 'table better suits the original poster's needs and is already over what he said he could afford. Plus you can get it in any color of your choice!