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Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:47 pm
by Dr Venkman_Archive
http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/about.php
Denialism is the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none. These false arguments are used when one has few or no facts to support one's viewpoint against a scientific consensus or against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They are effective in distracting from actual useful debate using emotionally appealing, but ultimately empty and illogical assertions.
Examples of common topics in which denialists employ their tactics include: Creationism/Intelligent Design, Global Warming denialism, Holocaust denial, HIV/AIDS denialism, 9/11 conspiracies, Tobacco Carcinogenecity denialism (the first organized corporate campaign), anti-vaccination/mercury autism denialism and anti-animal testing/animal rights extremist denialism. Denialism spans the ideological spectrum, and is about tactics rather than politics or partisanship.
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:02 pm
by sunset_gun_Archive
I'll probably end up seeing it at some point, but gawwd, does this look like a piece of shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGa ... re=related
"Mud animated by lighting"? WTF is that?
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:47 pm
by juice_Archive
Assuming creation is defined (as in some process has to occur for life to spring), the probability another planet created a current planet decreases as you iterate through consecutive creator planets until that probability goes to zero when you get to the last planet with life, assuming there are finite planets. The god creation probability would be governed by some uncertainty principle, and not converge to zero.
The argument is arbitrary to life on a particular planet and does nothing to refute or confirm a god, it's just a roadside distraction.
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:57 pm
by juice_Archive
Rick Reuben wrote:juice wrote:The argument is arbitrary to life on a particular planet and does nothing to refute or confirm a god, it's just a roadside distraction.
At least you recognize that it is impossible for man to refute or confirm a god. That's something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:06 pm
by steve_Archive
Rick Reuben wrote:At least you recognize that it is impossible for man to refute or confirm a god. That's trivial and obvious to a child of nine.
FYP
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:12 pm
by dontfeartheringo_Archive
This would appear to be a device that is capable of blowing smoke up its own asshole.
Can it call itself an "icebreaker" too?
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:31 pm
by camilo_Archive
Science deals in empirical knowledge, not the occult which seems to be the realm of religion. They each use different tools and it is impossible to compare them or argue about one from the other position. Why bother?
I am very saddened by the Talibanization of this country, but am at a loss as to how to stop it. Let's face it, rational thought isn't sexy or funny and doesn't sell ad time. Intellectuals need to devise a way to become smarmy, belittling and condescending. Or tell a really good fart joke.
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:53 pm
by steve_Archive
camilo wrote:Science deals in empirical knowledge, not the occult which seems to be the realm of religion. They each use different tools and it is impossible to compare them or argue about one from the other position. Why bother?
I am very saddened by the Talibanization of this country, but am at a loss as to how to stop it. Let's face it, rational thought isn't sexy or funny and doesn't sell ad time. Intellectuals need to devise a way to become smarmy, belittling and condescending. Or tell a really good fart joke.
Welcome to the forum Lunge Gaz. Great to have you here.
Can you straighten all these dipshits out for us?
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:01 pm
by sunset_gun_Archive
Wow.
Salute Rick Reuben, you are outdoing yourself tonight!
Richard Dawkins Accepts Possibility Of Intelligent Design
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:21 pm
by Dr Geek_Archive
Oh, this rehashed argument again.
Never mind that evolution makes no claims about the existence (or lack thereof) of a god. Never mind that the idea of intelligent design states nothing about evolution.
Intelligent design is not science. It does not deal with the empirical. It cannot be tested. Results cannot be duplicated in a lab or otherwise.
And therein lies the problem. Intelligent design works great in a philosophical setting. In fact, it should be brought up in philosophical academia. But it does not pass scientific scrutiny. And thus should not be taught in a science course.
