ubercat wrote:

Atlantis wrote:[snip] if your ever in a position where you may be arrested just dont fucking talk, its that simple.

Many times this will get you arrested.

OK - I also want to address this...

Getting arrested is a fucking hassle, obviously... but just focusing on "not getting arrested" is very short-sighted.

In the U.S. at least, I am not willing to gamble like that.

Which is worse?:

a) getting arrested, and then getting let go later because it was just B.S.

b) trying to avoid the hassle of getting arrested, but accidentally saying too much or doing the wrong thing and now you're arrested anyway, AND now you already have shit working against you when it's time to go to court

ALSO:

I got a buddy right now, been without a driver's license for YEARS. Tons of hassle going back and forth between DMV/state offices and lawyers and a bureaucratic nightmare of drug/alcohol evaluations and counseling sessions. His big crime was having a few beers and then going off the road and smacking into a highway fence/railing with his truck. Minimal damage to his truck and the fence/railing. No other vehicles involved. No other people involved. No personal property involved. Nobody was around even to see him do it. No witnesses at all.

ANY lawyer would advise you to just get the hell out of there. Or maybe leave on foot, go home & sober up, and then come back for your vehicle later the next day. But because my buddy there believed in "manning up and being honest" he stood there by the vehicle and waited for police to show up so he could lay the entire truth on them.

Now at the same time, I also have two other ex-coworkers/acquaintances who have been actually caught red-handed as DUI and had their licenses back in the blink of an eye (plus a few $$$ and some mandatory classes). One was actually discovered by police themselves as he was quite trashed drunk and swerving on the highway like a fool, the other guy bounced off of some cars before flipping his own car into a ditch before the police could get on the scene.

The punishments here in no way fit the crimes.

My good buddy in the first example above just fucked himself in the ass, super-hard, because he volunteered every little detail to the police, thinking it would somehow come out better to be honest.

Believe me when I say he is kicking himself now. There is a lot he has missed out on over the last few years by not being able to drive.

He could have been commuting to a better college, he could have lined up some type of job for some pocket money, he might have been able to partake in more hobbies, he might have even been able to meet a lady and take her out on a date sometime.

It's like his life has been stuck on "pause" for a mini-eternity (this might not make sense to those who live in major cities where public transportation is the norm and nobody expects you to drive or own a car - but live anywhere else and you know how important that driving is to your whole life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, etc.)

Don't ever tell on yourself to the police, people. No good can come of it.

ubercat wrote:I wish you would look at cops as a poker hand. Some are good, very few are great, and the rest should be bluffed until you trap them in a gutshot draw.

Dear sir:

If you actually play poker the way you deal with cops or torture metaphors, I kindly suggest that you come to Chicago. I'll find a great game for you!

FMajcinek wrote:

ubercat wrote:I wish you would look at cops as a poker hand. Some are good, very few are great, and the rest should be bluffed until you trap them in a gutshot draw.

Dear sir:

If you actually play poker the way you deal with cops or torture metaphors, I kindly suggest that you come to Chicago. I'll find a great game for you!

HAHAHAHA NO SHIT!

I have filed cases from arrests that were incorrect on me and won. I guess it just depends on how bad you want to fight it.

Wow. Drunk metaphors. I gotta make sure to stick to the 'post while I'm drunk thread'.

Anyway. I still maintain that police aren't something to be feared, this time without shitty metaphors and a hangover.

And I'd love to play poker with people who know how to. I can't find a game here for shit, obviously.

I think the video got good about the 9th minute, if you're too busy or lazy to watch the whole thing.

Smart. Great advice. It's funny that the cop just agrees with the prof straight up.

If the cops want to talk to you, and it's not about something that happened to you or that you witnessed, then tell them no thanks. Always.

Especially if you actually did something and don't want to get caught. If you get pulled over for speeding, sure, you make conversation, but never ever tell the guy anything.

It has nothing to do with whether they are good or bad or necessary or unnecessary.

You can always be made to look like you are hiding something or did something wrong.

You're not going to fool too many cops. A lot of people end up in jail trying to do that.

...Prof. James Duane of the Regent University School of Law...

Regent University - America's Preeminent Christian University

The school was founded by the American televangelist Pat Robertson in 1978

just observing something interesting, not trying to make any particular point.

Regent Law has had trouble getting accreditation and has provided dozens of Bush administration employees and officials.

This guy should've been one of them, as he's obviously way more on the ball than the schlubs that are filling the Bush bureaucracy.


And yes, most are skipping the videos and not getting the point of this thread. This is not about the police. It's about the law.

I know one thing after watching this video. If I ever get in trouble with the law in the US I'm keeping schtum and hiring that guy. He can fucking talk, I reckon he'd be a great lawyer.

ubercat wrote:Anyway. I still maintain that police aren't something to be feared, this time without shitty metaphors and a hangover.

If you aren't at least a little bit afraid of what the police can do to you and your life, then you are a fool.