I just saw this last night. Not crap at all... very, very entertaining.

I'm not sure I perfectly agree with all of the director's opinions, i.e. what she was expressing, but one of the reasons it's so great is that you don't have to agree with her. Thinking the bands are bad (which the director obviously does not...) has no bearing on why this movie is good.

The delusions! The narcissism!

So good.

I just watched it too.

Sad to see someone working so hard against themself.

I would have much more respect for Anton if he would've had the "fuck the music business" attitude earlier on........not AFTER it becomes clear that he is incapable of being "successful".

I'm happy that the "dandies" got to be popular, I suppose. (For the record, I have never heard either band before watching it). Their music is incredibly uninspiring. However, they seem to know what it takes to get things done. (In this case, the proper stroking of the cock of "the man".)

I also thought the keyboard player had a nice set of jubblies.

It was a good watch and I recommend it if only to figure out what you don't want to become.

the crapness of the subjects' music just amplifies the not-crapness of the movie.

I disagree. The movie was just barely Not Crap for low-grade entertainment value, but it would have been far more interesting and worthwhile if I gave 1/10000th of a flying fuck about either group -- that is, if they didn't both suck horrifically. I didn't think the filmmaker(s) brought much distance or any interesting perspective to the subject, either -- the movie struck me as the work of a fan with a camera and a quasi-journalistic verite stance. And of course the principal members of both bands were/are pretty much morons and/or assholes, without being especially original, gifted or entertaining. In fact, from watching this movie I took a particular dislike to Courtney Taylor, and now would probably not mind hearing that he had been maimed by a bear or some such.

i watched this last night. not crap for entertainment value, but the later dandy warhols music was crap. i actually don't mind some of BJM's music. i think "bravery, repetition and noise" is a good album. i liked the first (plus half of the second) dandy warhols album(s) when i was younger. i remember seeing them open up for blur in '97, so it was interesting to see what was going on for them behind the scenes during that period. because i was only 14 at the time, i had no idea who they were until the concert.

do i think the director took some liberties to portray anton newcome as a complete psycho? maybe...probably...then again, i had an interview scheduled with anton last year for a magazine i was contributing to, but he never showed up. so on second thought, i say he's crap.

do i think the director took some liberties to portray anton newcome as a complete psycho? maybe...probably...

Seems possible. Then again, the film, IF it can be taken at anything approaching face value, sure makes it look like Newcombe was impaired to the point of serious illness, at times anyway -- incapable of taking care of himself, making rational decisions, or dealing with others without violence, and heartily if intermittently enabled to continue in that vein by those who could stand to be around him; the word "exploitation" does come to mind in connection with this movie. Still, without knowing the whole story, I'd speculate that he was all for the film through its making, if perhaps less than pleased with the final product.

Altogether: eurgh.

ctrl-s wrote:

do i think the director took some liberties to portray anton newcome as a complete psycho? maybe...probably...

I wouldn't know, but one wonders if she wasn't getting into some funny ethical areas there, since on the evidence presented in the film the man was at times impaired to the point of serious illness -- incapable of taking care of himself, making rational decisions, or dealing with others without violence, and heartily if intermittently enabled to continue in that vein by those who could stand to be around him. The word "exploitation" does come to mind. Still, without knowing the whole story, I'd speculate that he was all for the film through its making, if perhaps less than pleased with the final product.

Altogether: eurgh.

i couldn't agree with you more, but then you read his statement on the film (http://brianjonestownmassacre.com/dig_statement.html), and you start to wonder whether a) he truly was exploited, or b) he's simply trying to defame someone else as a defense mechanism for coming off as a complete fuck-up in the film.

Oops, I was editing my post as you were posting. It's basically the same, but reworded a bit.

I have very little personal experience with junkies, so it took a while to occur to me that with heroin addiction factored in, the whole "exploitation / illness / responsibility" question gets exponentially more complicated, and finally just incredibly boring to pretty much everybody but the addict himself. Again: eurgh.

full point wrote:
It was a good watch and I recommend it if only to figure out what you don't want to become.

Exactly.

Has anyone listened to the commetary tracks? The Dandies is completely boring, but about halfway through the BJM commentary, they just start making fun of the Dandies.

This movie made me hate the Dandies more than I already did.

I just watched it. I thought it was great. I don't like either band but that's a good thing because if I did it would have changed the way I viewed it probably.

I feel this must be said: Brianstownwhatever fucking SUCK. I must've have heard 30 of their songs while watching that film and not a single one sounded like anything more than some shitty band that I wouldn't go to see if they were playing in my kitchen.

The Dandy Warhols at least know how to write a catchy tune, even if it's not to my taste.

I can't believe no one beat that Anton guy up. I'm sure he must've been hospitalised by people in the audience a few times over the last decade. And rightly so. Some people, usually cokeheads, need someone to break their fucking nose to show them they're not god.

It's hard to believe someone was able to make a documentary like this, as more intelligent subjects would have demanded the camera be shut down when it got embarrasing. And I'm glad that The Dandy Warhols got fucked over by the label (in America at least), otherwise it would have been the story of one band failing and another succeeding, whereas for a while it was two bands failing, just on different levels. The Dandys prevailed eventually because they kept their shit together and showed some humility every once in a while.



If anyone can reccomend any other "rockumentaries" I'm all ears. Still haven't been able to get my hands on that old Metallica one yet.

Rotten Tanx wrote:If anyone can reccomend any other "rockumentaries" I'm all ears. Still haven't been able to get my hands on that old Metallica one yet.

if New York Doll is in your area go see it, its really great...