I heard that if you fold a Danzig a certain way, it turns into a coupon for Fresh Scoop cat litter.

I see Verellen amps to be analogous to Electrical Guitar Company and Travis Beans. If you can get a Travis Bean for less than an Electrical go for it. But if you want some custom pickup configuration or some custom paint job with your aluminum necked tone machine go with Electrical. Personally, I am very happy with my 50W Laney AOR. It's cheap, sounds like a JCM800 and is more than adequate for my needs. But if I wanted a vintage Hiwatt circuit that makes UFO sounds I'd totally go with Verellen. On that note, I always thought it'd be cool if they would make a 100W head version of a Supro Thunderbolt circuit or perhaps an amp that has a tube driven Traynor TS-50B/Rusty Box preamp section for bass and a JCM800 style preamp for guitar that could be run at 200W or 100W or 50W...that would be dope. Also keep in mind Verellens are expensive...but no more expensive than a new Marshall or Hiwatt or whatever but way out of my price range.

ezweave wrote:Nate Dort wrote:How to these compare to the C. Everett Koop?They write fewer letters advocating sex education and condom use, in light of the AIDS crisis. They are staunchly pro-choice, though.

motorbike guy wrote:$2k seems about the going rate for a hand built american made amp. I doubt Ben is getting rich on them. They probably cost him over $1K to build.... $2k new. The used market for boutique amps (as well as custom built guitars) is very soft. I sold a Tony Bruno Cow Tipper and another boutique amp, both in excellent shape, for a friend last year and it took a long time and I ended up getting about 60% of the new value for them. It's something to consider if you aren't 100% sure you want the amp. If you buy a used Bassman or whatever and aren't happy with it, you can easily re-sell it for what you paid, give or take a few bucks. if you drop $2k on a new Verellen you'll be lucky to get $1200 for it used and it might a while to sell.

endofanera wrote:Myshkin wrote:I wish the guy all the best in the world.I don't think anyone here wishes him anything less. Totally! When I was talking about the low resale value, I was in no way implying that the dude makes bad amps or that you shouldn't get one or that I don't want him to do well. I thought the demos I watched sounded good and I'll definitely try one of those amps out if I see it in a store or something.

Tommy wrote:elisha wiesner wrote:The used market for boutique amps (as well as custom built guitars) is very soft. I sold a Tony Bruno Cow Tipper and another boutique amp, both in excellent shape, for a friend last year and it took a long time and I ended up getting about 60% of the new value for them. It's something to consider if you aren't 100% sure you want the amp. That's not terrible. As a general rule of thumb, I find that the typical used price for something that you can still buy brand new is about 65%. More if it is something really hot and hard to find new or used. It's not terrible but it's certainly not great. It can be a big hit to take if you buy something expensive and don't like it. Plus, boutique gear is much tougher to re-sell then common used stuff. Believe me. A blackface Bassman head sells for between $700-900ish on ebay. I'm sure you could buy one in that range this week and you could also sell it for what you payed next week. It could take months to find a buyer for an amp that 99.9% of the guitar playing public has never heard of. You could have it on craigslist forever with no offers and a no reserve ebay auction could end up being terrible for you. It can languish in Buy It Now hell for a long time if you go that route. It took me 2-3 months to sell that Bruno Cowtipper for like $1200 less than the new price and it was basically in mint condition. I had it on my website, G-base, Craigslist and ebay, plus I posted it on a couple of forums. If my friend had needed the money quick it would have been a much bigger loss. On the plus side, you could always look around for a used one and scoop it up for way less than new.

Myshkin wrote:I wish the guy all the best in the world.I don't think anyone here wishes him anything less.

motorbike guy wrote:you-tubing my way around, I really like the Verellen Loucks. Sounds kinda like a Hiwatt, but with that extra gain stage. Cool amp. The Coop looks cool too. It seems way more useful than a bassman, what with the MV and all. $2k seems about the going rate for a hand built american made amp. I doubt Ben is getting rich on them. They probably cost him over $1K to build.... And the fact that you can get one built to your needs is quite compelling.He actually upped his prices about a year ago too. I don't think he's getting rich. I, for one, like the raw wood look. You have to accept that it will get beat up (that's why they started putting tweed, then tolex on amps).I think the Coop, in particular, is a little on the high side (for what you get). It seems to be like a Bassman head on steroids. I like it, just unsure I want to spend the money on it (then there is the combo vs head question).Also, I'm not sure how many Fonzies that amp has.

Nate Dort wrote:How to these compare to the C. Everett Koop?They write fewer letters advocating sex education and condom use, in light of the AIDS crisis. They are staunchly pro-choice, though.

you-tubing my way around, I really like the Verellen Loucks. Sounds kinda like a Hiwatt, but with that extra gain stage. Cool amp. The Coop looks cool too. It seems way more useful than a bassman, what with the MV and all. $2k seems about the going rate for a hand built american made amp. I doubt Ben is getting rich on them. They probably cost him over $1K to build.... And the fact that you can get one built to your needs is quite compelling.