Mr. Chimp wrote:Beggars through Exile

I just don't understand how people can refer to any fraction of the Brian Jones era as of a piece with the Mick Taylor era. They'd lost their muse. I wonder how what you like in Beggars Banquet resembles what you like in Exile On Main Street. I gather people's exultation of Exile hinges mostly on its "premium riffage" but Beggars Banquet's genius derives from a more encompassing song craft. Its songs aren't reducible to riffs at all. And Charlie Watts only makes up for a tiny part of the deterioration they exhibited when Mick Taylor joined, he can't carry the band.

Let It Bleed reflects part Brian Jones influence part Mick Taylor influence, so which part do you define as the pinnacle of the Rolling Stones?

Oh, and to illustrate Mick Jagger’s diva complex in tragic form how about the way in Gimme Shelter he tells Ian Stewart to go make him a coffee! What a motherfucker.

How do people here rate that Andrew Loog Oldham book?

sure, they put out a TON of crap in the last few decades, hehe....but that series of albums is fucking fantastic. i dont care about their posturing. i expect a cocky swagger from a band playing 'Bitch' or 'Brown Sugar' etc. etc...

not crap!

andyk

Alex wrote:

Let It Bleed reflects part Brian Jones influence part Mick Taylor influence, so which part do you define as the pinnacle of the Rolling Stones?

I didn't get into actively listening to the Stones until about 10 years ago, having found interesting elements within the Zeppelin, Floyd, and Beatles back catalogs. Over the course of a couple years I attempted to listen to full records of the Stones when possible, and I have to agree that the later half Brian Jones era tended to stand out to me in terms of craft.

Let It Bleed hangs together for me despite any Jones/Taylor fractions, as a record I can listen to front to back. I enjoy the height of Brian Jones prowess (including the couple albums before), and I enjoy the shift of Mick Taylor forward a few.

That being said, Let It Bleed is the only one I've kept track of.

after some girls they should have hung it up and saved everyone the embarassement of watching retirement age baby boomers jumping around like britney spears. that said, the four or five years between 68-72 ish were productive and good music was produced. i think it does need to be pointed out that a lot of good muscians sat in on those sessions from mr. parsons, billy preston and ry cooder. i think as popular music goes, i will take the stones over most of the schlock out there today.

Once you get past the fact that they were never very good live, I gotta say I like the big 4(BEGGARS BANQUET,LET IT BLEED,STICKY FINGERS, AND EXILE). They weren't afraid to to try new things. "Gimme Shelter" is still a scary song no matter how many times it's played on the radio. A chill goes through my spine everytime Merry Clayton's voice cracks.

I don't think we'd be any better or worse off if they stopped in 1975

By the way, Brian Jones is way overrated. Is that him on tambourine in some of the earlier tunes? Jesus, how can you fuck up a tambourine part?!?

Naw, that was Eric Easton or Andrew Loog Oldham (producers, I can't remember which one) fucking up the tambourine part. Mick couldn't play it.

Yargh, NOT CRAP because I love Beggars, Let it Bleed, Aftermath, and Out Of Our Heads.

They also have the "best beginnings to songs" record easy, next to the Beatles.

Blame Moms, she bought me Out Of Our Heads when I was four years old, pretty cool. Word.


Jay

aren't they dead?

quite possibly the most overrated band ever-definitely crap

i agree with dylan in that they're a band i had to warm up to. for some reason it took me a while to 'get' the rolling stones. overrated? yes. bad? no. just a great band to listen to while you're hanging out with some friends, having some beers, and playing some cards.

a couple years ago they came to the somewhat po-dunk ex-lake superior iron shipping town i'm from for one of their roadies' funeral. it was kind of a big ordeal. my friend got charlie watts to sign a drumhead, then turned around and sold it on ebay for some stupid amount of money. why someone would pay above retail value for something like that is beyond me, but shitty fans doesn't always mean shitty music. just sayin.