The Carpenters?

Crap
Total votes: 13 (33%)
Not Crap
Total votes: 27 (68%)
Total votes: 40

Group: The Carpenters

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Here's how I know that the Carpenters are not crap. The management laundromat to which I take my soiled wearables seems to think "easy listening" is the perfect accompaniment to the drone of washing machines. Thus it is that my ears are invariably met by the "soft rock" sounds of one of LA's tripe radio stations, KOST ("Seventy-eight degrees and overcast in the Valley, sunny and warm at... the KOST"). The music-- Phil Collins, Natalie Cole, Air Supply, Michael Bolton-- attacks my ears as I wash and fold my delicates. Invariably, though, at some point, the "DJ" at the station cues up a Carpenters track. And just as invariably, while that track is playing, and I am struggling to align the legs of the pants I am folding, I feel good.

My roommate stated it well: "The only group that could pull off singing, 'Wahhhhhhh, wah-ah-ah-ahhhhhhh.'"
If it wasn't for landlords, there would have been no Karl Marx.

Group: The Carpenters

26
Superking wrote:Somebody on these blessed pages once said they wished they could hear "Stairway to Heaven" in a cultural vacuum (was it "Stairway to Heaven" or "Free Bird"? And was that T. Midgett?).


i don't think it was me. might have been an offhand comment.

cultural context and artistic intent aren't that important to me when it comes to liking/disliking. if i like it, i like it. if i do not, i do not. i don't care who else likes lynyrd skynyrd or whether or not the stooges knew what they were doing.

the carpenters are a very weird case. i don't own any records. if i did own them, i wouldn't play them, probably. but when i hear something on the radio, i listen to it from beginning to end. i am _pretty sure_ i would do this even if i didn't know the back story. but i am not certain. the back story probably helps maintain my interest.

what makes them interesting to me isn't that it's soulless music. it's not quite soulless. it's that it's meant to convey a specific vibe, often one of carefree happiness, yet 'carefree happiness' is never something i take away from their music.

'we've only just begun': she is meant to convey the jittery happiness felt by a newly-wed couple. instead, she conveys to me some kind of barely concealed terror at what has transpired. perhaps also impending frigidity.

as my wife says: 'i like the carpenters because they are dark and creepy. am i the only one who thinks they are dark and creepy? [ans: no] like, even the supposedly happy songs, there is something weird about the key or something.'

so i will say not crap. i think if they did precisely what they intended to do, they might be crap. but they did what they did and that is all that matters to me. maybe they wanted it that way.

Group: The Carpenters

28
Don wrote:
Mayfair wrote:
mattw wrote:
Rick Moranis, RIP: 1981-1989


Rick Moranis is not dead is he? Google did not say he was.


Yeah, for sixteen years. Though his life was short, the world is a richer place because of him and his gift, whose legacy is laughter.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Moranis

I do not know what Rick Moranis you speak of but the one who was on SCTV, etc. is alive and kicking. He did voice over work on Brother Bear 2 this year even... and not from beyond the grave....

Group: The Carpenters

30
I have never been a fan of The Carpenters' music. I don't hate it, but I see/hear no reason to hold it any higher regard than John Denver or Helen Reddy. Actually, I don't think that I've heard a Carpenters song that I like as much as "Angie Baby." But I digress . . .

Although it's impossible to know why a person likes a certain musical act (unless s/he tells you--if s/he even knows), I am uncomforttable with what I perceive to be the motivations behind championing the Carpenters' music. More than one person has suggested to me that the Carpenters are brilliant precisely because they made vapid pop songs that almost wholly kept hidden the fact that this music was made by a deeply conflicted closeted homosexual and a gawky drummer who was slowly but surely starving herself to death. Therefore, a song like "Top of the World" achieves a kind of massively tragic irony that totally eclipses its lameness as "music."

I am not a fan of this kind of listening, which seems to me to amount to a kind of aesthetic vampirism: "Let's listen for clues to how miserable they really were! Let's read Sylvia Plath's poems and look for encrypted suicide notes!" I don't think the back story should become more important than the art itself, though I realize that they're inextricably linked. Still, knowing how fucking crazy Brian Wilson is doesn't make me like the Beach Boys anymore, nor do I think I'd be seduced by the coke-addled wife-swapping that informs Rumours if I didn't like the music already.
dontfeartheringo wrote:I need people to act like grown folks and I just ain't seeing it.

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