burun wrote:

Because the early Genesis is so beyond Not Crap, it negates the Crap aspect of their later "work".

Yeah, what burun said.
I saw the Lamb show done by The Musical Box, and it was easily in my top 5 live shows I saw last year. A tribute band! I never would have thought...

Then again, I like me some theatre! (Genesis in 1973)

I listened to Seconds Out obsessively when I was a kid. I bought it again recently, and man I like that record. There are two songs I don't like, the rest I can listen to over and over again.

They became not interesting later in their career, but the Peter Gabriel and just-after-Peter Gabriel stuff is very enjoyable.

Some friends recently saw Musical Box and raved about it. I am eager to see Musical Box.

Oh: I like the stepping-in-dogshit metaphor for musical appreciation, especially if you emphasize the "ooh, what's that warm, soft, delicious feeling?" and only on closer inspection do you realize that it's actually crap.

Redline wrote:

(Genesis in 1973)

Holy fuck! Who's that on vocals?




Genesis are easily CRAP, by the way. I did like Red House Painters' version of "Follow You, Follow Me", though...

Yeah... The whole rock spectacle thing was done first (best) by Arthur Brown. But Sun Ra was doing that before, but that was jazz spectacle.

I really like that Kingdom Come album "Galactic Zoo Dossier". It would have been pretty cool to eat a tab and check out the crazy world of Arthur Brown back in the day.

Oh, Musical Box are so fucking great, I can't even explain it. Has anyone seen the Lamb show? I heard it takes a huge stage to pull it off.

Yeah, to me, the work, effort, creativity, talent, cohesiveness and overload of stimuli make Genesis great. I'll take them over 4 indie rockers making waka waka on their guitars any day.

spoot wrote:Oh: I like the stepping-in-dogshit metaphor for musical appreciation, especially if you emphasize the "ooh, what's that warm, soft, delicious feeling?" and only on closer inspection do you realize that it's actually crap.

Me too. Funny... Also the dog named Genesis. That's a cool name for a dog. I know a young lass named Genesis. Hippy parents...

i don't own any, and i've never owned any, but i've heard a ton of songs by them over the years. i have memories of liking all kinda songs by these guys. i would go NOT CRAP, with a high waffle factor on account of stuff like Land Of Confusion and the video (was it genesis or just collins?) where he's all "so how does it end?" "so how does it end?" "so how does it end?", mitigated by the fact that collins slew faces in his guest spot on Miami Vice, as far as i could tell as a tike.

This is funny. When I mention to people that I love Genesis, they're like "Hmmm... I guess 'Land of Confusion' is an OK song. I sorta like 'In the air tonight'"

Those are shit! And I love Genesis. What I've found is that 90% of people I know (of my age -- mid/late 30's) have never heard any of the non-commercial art-rock Genesis stuff. What I'm reading on this thread confirms this. People who like them are talking about the Musical Box, Peter Gabriel, and the few albums after PG left the band. The people who say they suck are talking about Genesis albums that even Genesis fans don't like...

Angus Jung wrote:As T. Midgett pointed out in one of the Ranks, Phil Collins divorced his wife via fax.

Um, this is not even close to true. In fact, after Steve Hackett left the band, Phil Collins put the band on hold and moved to Canada to be with his wife so he could work things out. Genesis almost broke up. They were on hiatus for a while. Then he realized it just wouldn't work out, and they went into the studio as a three piece and recorded "...And Then There Were Three..." which apart from the last track (follow you, follow me) is a very solid album. If he did divorce his wife by fax (officially) it was after several months of trying to work things out in Canada.

If you have Netflix, I suggest renting this movie. It's all about Genesis after PG left the band. They go into the music theory and finally give Tony Banks CREDIT for writing so much of their music.

This movie also mentions how hard Phil Collins worked on his marriage.

Also, they have this part where Phil says that Genesis fans are the same people who listen to Siouxie and the Banshees and the Sex Pistols... Maybe he's right, in the late 70's, Genesis was still a artistic band. I thought it was really funny, though... None of my friends who like Siouxie or Johnny would even touch a Genesis record, let alone listen to it.

Genesis DID NOT suck after PG left the band, because Tony Banks wrote most of the music. He was always the guy who offered up interesting key transpositions... Just bizzare stuff that no one did before.

People think Peter Gabriel did everything because he sang... It's the typical notion that the lead singer is in charge -- the leader.

In fact, I think the 2 post PG albums are the best, because they made better music to make up for the lack of PG's insane stage act. Although, Phil Collins hitting Mike Rutherford on the head with a tambourine was pretty cool.

Yeah, Peter Gabriel... Phil Collins... blah blah blah... What about Tony Banks?!?

Angus Jung wrote:AbaCRAPacab.

This is like comparing Led Zepplin to what Robert Plant does today. Yeah, they "sold out". It doesn't detract from the fact that they were the perfection of art rock.

If you are a fan of the NEO progressive scene, Genesis is the most profound influence.

Genesis were a far better band that Rush, Pink Floyd, or King Crimson. Genesis knew how to write barn burners, and also beautiful, sincere soft rock ballads like Ripples, One for the Vine, and Blood on the Rooftops.

To me, Genesis are the quintessential art rock (or progressive rock) band.

So not crap. Not even close. I don't care how shitty they became. Nothing can sully the wonder that was 70's Genesis!

I like 'em all the way up to Duke, and I like me some of dat, too.

But mainly the Gabriel stuff. Lamb Lies Down is my favorite. Carpet Crawlers...what a cool drum part. Kind of a hi-hat roll through the song without losing the smooth hypnotic swing - the whole song just hypnotically builds from the beginning to the end. It's hard to remember sometimes what a totally great drummer Phil Collins was, and probably still is. And he's lefty and plays open-handed on a righty kit. Just like Thymme from Cheer-Accident, who got me into Genesis back in high school.

Man, that's crazy, playing the kick drum with your "off" foot...

The Chester Thompson & Phil Collins drumming on "Seconds Out" is fantastic. Though they don't do those killer fills on "Cimema Show"... The ones during Tony Bank's keyboard extravaganza, where (on the studio album) Phil does these amazing hits on the toms while playing this sped up funked out beat. He does one right before the mellotron chorus patch kicks in. I don't know how he does that. He must have sprouted a 3rd arm. They don't do it on Seconds Out. It's just a normal Collins fill...

The dynamics on Seconds Out are also amazing. They really preserved this, even on the remastered CD.

Yeah, Duke is a good one. I was listening to that last night. Behind the Lines is a really cool song. I like Cul de Sac a lot too.

Perhaps I was wrong about the time when Phil moved to Canada to sort things out with his wife. Listening to Duke, it seems like this is about his relationship with his wife... She being the Dutchess. Plus, there was a bit of a gap between "And then there were three" and "Duke".

I like Abacab... Not everything on it, but it has some good tunes. I think "Genesis" was the first one that sucked. "Invisible Touch" was another piece of crap. Then they had "We Can't Dance" in the 90's.

Yeah, I know Phil Collins makes godawful music these days. But this will never detract from the greatness of Genesis.

I was looking at their discography in one of the CD inserts, and really, the vast majority of this band's output is great. They didn't do a whole lot in the 80's, and very little in the 90's. I think people confuse Phil Collins solo stuff with Genesis... I guess I'm guilty of this too, since I mentioned "In the Air Tonight".

Yeah, Genesis have 10 solid albums... 2-3 that are OK... 3 that really suck bad. The majority of their output was good.

I like LLDOB a lot. Where would Spock's Beard's "Snow" be without that? But there's something so lush and huge about "A Trick..." or "Wind and Wuthering" that just touches me profoundly... I can listen to "Blood on the Rooftops" again and again. I generally don't like soft rock ballads, but I must admit, Genesis did these well. VDGG is another band that did amazing soft rock balads. I know, everyone is jazzed about the insanity of Pawn Hearts... I love the Quiet Zone/Pleasure Dome. She's into lizards!

Speaking of which, I do like the new VDGG... I'm really surprised at one of the songs. It sounds like a indie rock song that could have been release on douche & go in 1995 or so...

TJ's into Genesis? That's a shocker... he he he... Yeah, one of the songs on The Why Album reminds me of "The Lady Lies". Great tune (both of them).