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Garth wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:45 am I probably also need to add that I'm way, way in the minority here and veering from the OG subject, but I almost always prefer bass from a DI over a mic'd cabinet. When I mic both and try to blend, I've never found like I was getting information I really loved out of a mic. Just seemed more loose and flabby regardless of mic I chose. Closest I've gotten was w/ RE20, but even then if I had to pick between the two, it would be DI almost every time. Best use for DI/mic combo for me was w/ distorted bass. An SM-57 or something to capture that combined w/ clean DI for lows worked really well for me before...although to tie it back, the SansAmp does the distortion thing pretty well tbh.
Garth, what's your mic placement like? I've found the best sound for me is almost always as close as I can get to the grill without touching and pointed directly at the seam of where the dust cap and the cone meet. Diaphragm parallel to the grill (mic tip flat against it with a front address microphone). This seems to give me the most low end from proximity effect and a nice amount of highs without being too harsh.
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tommy wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:12 am Garth, what's your mic placement like? I've found the best sound for me is almost always as close as I can get to the grill without touching and pointed directly at the seam of where the dust cap and the cone meet. Diaphragm parallel to the grill (mic tip flat against it with a front address microphone). This seems to give me the most low end from proximity effect and a nice amount of highs without being too harsh.
This is what I am doing with an SM57, and most of the time I record two tracks, one of clean bass, and a second with some dirt on it. I blend the two tracks, I dont completely hard pan them, but this has given me the best results with my limited set up.
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bishopdante wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:54 pm Could very easily make a baffle with an omni measurement mic between the speakers, and run the speakers facing each other with the microphone placed inside, resulting in the microphone seeing an "infinite sphere" of loudspeaker, with an improbable level of "cabin gain" and proximity effect.

Such an assembly could be made using a sheet of wood and a bulldog clip. Could even just be a few bolts or sections of 6mm threaded rod, and a chunk of mic stand. Bit of foam rubber gasket maybe.

I doubt that you'd have to use very large loudspeakers, either. Five inch paper cone drivers would likely be more than sufficient, and those will feasibly take well over 100W per driver these days. Such an output level at point blank range, confined between two speaker drivers, that would very likely destroy a normal audio microphone, and require some sort of industrial measurement microphone. The aggravated sound pressure would also likely increase the stress on the loudspeaker cones, and result in elevated levels of distortion at high output levels – loudspeakers were "broken in" by playing them at high volume facing each other in the era of paper suspension..
Or be more realistic. Just bolt them face to face, drive sound into one speaker and plug the other into a DI like a Sub Kick and take that to a mic preamp and skip all that other horseshit.
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AT4033s (LDC) still come up used in the $175 range time to time -- a weirdly flat price. I've bought some and sold some all for around that price, should have kept all of 'em. My opinion has been that they do a totally respectable job on a bass amp, and frankly on you-name-it. I'd point it at just about anything that isn't a fingerboard and feel fine about it. Get one of those.

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Garth wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:45 am
Adam P wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:55 am I know they’re not very cool, but I’d be surprised if a SansAmp BDDI couldn’t get you what you’re after in most cases.
I think these are SUPER cool. This is one of the first bits of kit I've ever purchased for recording in the late 90s and I have continued to use it on almost every bass recording I've ever done since. Took it on tour w/ me when I wasn't super into the amp I was using and it still works great.
I've always heard very good things about these sansamps. I've known people to sound good using them live as well, but I don't know if it was direct to p.a. or more of a dirty pre amp. I think Kevin Rutmanis used them live quite a bit. I often miss my old SansAmp GT2. I think I ruined a sound card using as my main amp source back in the dorms. But ultimately I'd prefer something a bit cleaner as to shove dirt pedals in front of it.

Anyone know how the non-bass para driver compares? Off topic, but I've been considering it for an all purpose DI/PreAmp, which I hope will eventually once again include a bass.

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So I've been laying down some funky ass bass lines (insert Infectious Groove ref.) for a new set of songs. I have finally got my bass/Sansamp/interface dialed where I've got a really balanced clean DI signal. The problem is now that I am into mixing the bass is almost too smooth. I am probably going to re-amp the signal because i want the bass to be be a bit more snappy/aggressive (think Naked Raygun.) What are your techniques for achieving this (either at tracking or mix?)

I've had decent luck reamping through a little practice amp, OD pedals but looking for other ideas. Anything ITB besides EQ to try? has anyone ever put a little gate on a bass to tamper sustain? Is that stupid?
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RyanZ wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:33 am I've had decent luck reamping through a little practice amp, OD pedals but looking for other ideas. Anything ITB besides EQ to try? has anyone ever put a little gate on a bass to tamper sustain? Is that stupid?
The Decapitator plugin from Soundtoys has earned its place as one of the most popular saturation plugins. It has a lot of tonal variety and can go from a little warmth or hair (goddamn these audio words) to grindy distortion.

If you want less sustain on a bass you might try a really slow compressor or yeah maybe a gate if you have something that can slowly go down a few db after the threshold. Not an on/off type setting. Or just go old school and put some foam under the strings by the bridge.

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