enframed wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:00 pm I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

biscuitdough wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:25 am The covers of his first three solo albums are just closeups on his goonish face...

Krev wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:34 pm

Curry Pervert wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:31 pm

Adam_I_III wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:07 pm He was a pretty rabid Tory in the era of Thatcher and beyond which I think is partially responsible for his standing. Think he 'threatened' to leave the UK if Labour ever won an election then didn't follow through.

That's a big tick on the CRAP list right there.

A very British Ted Nugent.

Jimbo wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:29 pm...the apex being "Sussudio."

Jimbo wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:29 pm Everything I hate about mid-to-late 80s dad pop is in his songs, the apex being "Sussudio."
CRAP.
Waffles for "In The Air Tonight."

enframed wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:00 pm I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm

Jimbo wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:29 pm Everything I hate about mid-to-late 80s dad pop is in his songs, the apex being "Sussudio."
CRAP.
Waffles for "In The Air Tonight."

NO! No waffles for “In the Air Tonight”!

Waffles denied!