bishopdante wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:36 am

ChudFusk wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 1:40 pmDoes there always have to be a jab in replies to FMbd?

Double jab, minimum.

Sorry BD. I'm re-evaluating and doing some self-reflection.

Kniferide wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:49 pm

numberthirty wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:29 pm Related -

Dude knows his shit, but I super disagree with all that corrective EQ. Additive EQ is not going to fix a Freq dip that is being caused by Phase cancelation/room mode shit. It will work your monitors harder though. the first thing I would have don if I was him is find anywhere else to put my monitors so that one ear wasn't against the wall like that. He gets paid more than me though, so what do I know?

I have been working on some problems with my control room with some good advice from a friendly FM mastering engineer. These suggestions closely match my recent experience with some Room Wizard measurement as data to back it. You absolutely can't boost away a null.

The one new piece I'd add is moving my speakers didn't erase a bass mode but it moved it. In my room with my speakers a few feet from the wall I had a deep dip (about 15db) at 80 hz. By putting the speakers as close as possible to the wall it moved the problem area up to around 95hz. For me this is good news because the lower the frequency the harder it is to treat.

For someone who has no interest in treating their room this still means you can shift, and potentially lessen your problem areas by moving your speakers around. This can be done objectively with measurement or somewhat subjectively by listening and moving things repeatedly.

losthighway wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:52 pm For someone who has no interest in treating their room

For $100 in materials at Home Depot you can easily build some basic shit that will vastly help your room. I'd rather spend a little on some basic room treatment than buying "better" monitors and not treating the room. A few rolls of OC R13, some cheap 6-10" pine board for frames, buy some bedsheets or other fabric form a thrift store to cover it. Build a few absorbers. Makes a difference. I think it is better to fix issues than to buy speakers with "smoother highs" or "Deeper lows" etc. sorry to induce room treatment into a thread that specifically asked not to do so, but shit happens.

Kniferide wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:22 pmsorry to induce room treatment into a thread that specifically asked not to do so, but shit happens.

Kniferide wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:22 pm

losthighway wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:52 pm For someone who has no interest in treating their room

For $100 in materials at Home Depot you can easily build some basic shit that will vastly help your room. I'd rather spend a little on some basic room treatment than buying "better" monitors and not treating the room. A few rolls of OC R13, some cheap 6-10" pine board for frames, buy some bedsheets or other fabric form a thrift store to cover it. Build a few absorbers. Makes a difference. I think it is better to fix issues than to buy speakers with "smoother highs" or "Deeper lows" etc. sorry to induce room treatment into a thread that specifically asked not to do so, but shit happens.

It's the elephant in the room. He knew it was coming.

Well since we've already addressed the elephant in the room I guess it's a fair question to ask why treating the room is a hard stop before we continue further down that path.

If it's money, there's tons of low-dough solutions that would likely produce better results than throwing money at monitors more expensive than needed.
If it's complexity, that's understandable but maybe not as daunting as it might first appear. There are some basic fundamental principles and a few of them have been touched on already here.

Garth wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:52 am Well since we've already addressed the elephant in the room I guess it's a fair question to ask why treating the room is a hard stop before we continue further down that path.

It's not. There is plenty of info about DIY room treatment out there, but that's not the point of the thread. I asked the question for 2 reasons:

1, to examine one factor at a time, i.e. the qualities of the monitors themselves: which ones seem to do well in any room, which have the best features for calibrating to the room, etc. If the focus shifts to sound treatment, then we've changed variables mid-experiment.

2, because in a home setup there are numerous unpredictable and sometimes unalterable acoustic factors that will never be "right" but can be worked around. Some monitors will hypothetically do better in these environments, and I want to know what people's experiences have been in suboptimal settings.


I understand the urge to share all your tips about room treatment, and I encourage anyone to start another thread for that.

it is absolutely a fair question if only to shut down further suggestions that are acoustic in nature & outside scope of this discussion. I kept wondering over and over in this thread "well why not? this is almost more important than the monitors themselves."

It's WAY more important than the monitors.

Garth wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:39 pm it is absolutely a fair question if only to shut down further suggestions that are acoustic in nature & outside scope of this discussion.

One might expect, when specifically asking in the thread title "for an untreated room" and saying in the OP "I know the best way to good sound is a properly treated room," that acoustic suggestions would be very clearly placed outside the scope of discussion. And in fact, the more we discuss the "why" of treating/not treating, the more it invites others to continue derailing the thread like this

MoreSpaceEcho wrote:It's WAY more important than the monitors.

So no matter the reason why a theoretical room might have or lack the proper acoustical treatment, it is irrelevant to the intent of this thread. I'm not mad, but I am a bit stymied as to why I have to explain this. Maybe some bass traps in the corners of this thread would help!