penningtron wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:49 am Oh.. and I didn't realize this was the latest culture war. Ugh. I hope some MAGAheads blow themselves to smithereens trying to own the libs..

I didn't realize that until today either. Then, I saw what the reasoning behind it was (links asthma, gas lobbying marketing, and their efforts to stop such regulations and future efforts). God, conservatives are such fucking buffoons. Right-wingers likely turned this into the latest culture war craze because they realized that nobody gave a fuck about the Biden classified documents story the past three days now.

Cardholder wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:28 pm

penningtron wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:49 am Oh.. and I didn't realize this was the latest culture war. Ugh. I hope some MAGAheads blow themselves to smithereens trying to own the libs..

I didn't realize that until today either. Then, I saw what the reasoning behind it was (links asthma, gas lobbying marketing, and their efforts to stop such regulations and future efforts). God, conservatives are such fucking buffoons. Right-wingers likely turned this into the latest culture war craze because they realized that nobody gave a fuck about the Biden classified documents story the past three days now.

The oil and gas lobby is twirling their moustaches with glee over the Ukraine war, and Biden capitulating on pretty much every front to keep the crude flowing well beyond expectations, environmental concerns be damned. This oven shit is small potatoes and stinks more of a militarized fretful liberal mother's facebook group.

EDIT: I need to stop thinking altogether. Good luck America!

jfv wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:54 pm but if your “cleaner” electric stove is ultimately powered by a coal-based power plant, I’m not sure how much of a difference it makes. All electric/renewable should be the future, though.

This is pretty much where I'm at on all of it.

As far as usage goes, I do greatly prefer a gas burner, but kinda prefer an electric oven, unless broiling.

Same here. Coal has become a negligible source of energy in the US, though, so at least there’s that.

Reportedly, the big problem with gas stoves is that they leak a ton of methane when they’re not in use. It’s the plastic water bottle problem: the issue isn’t with your single stove but with what happens when you have fifty million of them.

We have a gas stove, and it’s great, but we’ll likely replace it with an electric/convection when it kicks the bucket. From an environmental and geopolitical standpoint, it’s hard to justify gas when the alternatives have gotten this good.

Wood Goblin wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:04 am Coal has become a negligible source of energy in the US, though, so at least there’s that.

Coal still produces 20-25% of our electricity; not quite negligible, but I agree definitely decreasing. I used to live a half-mile from a coal power plant in Waukegan that thankfully closed last year.

Dang—didn’t know it was that much!

Wood Goblin wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:44 am Dang—didn’t know it was that much!

If you include other fossil fuels that aren't coal but almost as bad, it's like 60% of our electrical production. Renewables are only %20, Nuclear about 20%.

You cannot get a gas stove installed in Portland Oregon in any new home. You cannot have a gas stove installed in an older home that has an electric range, even if the home is tapped to a gas line already. I am not sure if you can replace a standing gas range with a new gas range, but I suspect that you cannot. It's a little of a PIA to cook on electric, but you get used to it. If it's actually better for keeping the Earth from bursting into flames... fine. Maybe I can get a smart stove to mine bitcoin or something.

Kniferide wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:47 pm If it's actually better for keeping the Earth from bursting into flames... fine. Maybe I can get a smart stove to mine bitcoin or something.

It's not going to *prevent* anything, delay maybe.

Gas ranges are a fart in the hurricane that is climate change. With only 3% of natural gas consumption going to cooking appliances, getting rid of gas furnaces and water heaters is probably the most sensible first step. The reality is right now, most natural gas is going to energy production, having replaced coal and oil. We're still a culture of using antiquated heat engine cycles to do the things we need to do that should be done through technologies beyond heat engines.

With that, my current house came with a Blue Star gas range that is one of my favorite things about this house. Two 21,000 BTU, a 18,000 BTU and 7,000 BTU burner set. This thing is rock solid, easy to maintain, easier to repair if need be, and is as close to a commercial unit you can get. Paired with a 650 CFM commercial-style vent hood, and I couldn't be happier with it.

I'm planning on making *real* changes to my climate footprint, by replacing the gas furnace with a 20+SEER whole-house heat pump, to complement the ductless split-mini that already heats/cools the upper floor, getting new windows and storms, and replacing the 95% efficient water heater with a heat-pump water heater when this unit goes tits-up in the next 10+ years. Not driving a big-ass truck or SUV and flying every goddamn place on a whim will have greater impacts than changing my range.

With that, if I ever move and have to redo the kitchen, I'd go induction. I don't own any aluminum cookware, so I'd be fine. But until then, (insert picture of C. Heston here), "You can have my gas range when you pry it from my perfectly seared, medium-rare dead hands".