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I like Entombed's Left Hand Path and Autopsy's Mental Funeral but I think those are the only albums I've heard that have grabbed me. I'll have to check out some of these other recommendations above. I love me some black metal though.

jakethesnake wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:25 pm

Krev wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:50 pm Atrocity's "Hallucinations" and Sarcofago's "Laws of the Scourge" are two of the earliest tech-death albums. They're not as clinical and soulless as much of the later stuff.

Atrocity was an odd band; that album had the potential to be great but there's something very dry and unpleasant about the whole album; it was *definitely* ahead of its time though...

Other examples of more raw, sloppy and organic tech-death would be the sole EP by the other Grotesque spin-off Liers in wait "spiritually uncontrolled art" or whatever it was called; they were a total flop compared with At the Gates but I dug this EP quite a lot; they were playing stuff WAY above their abilities and it ended up very messy and chaotic but pretty cool too

I haven’t heard it in a long time, but just put it on. It sounds like typical Morrisound/Scott Burns to me with the slamming drums and super-compressed guitar.

This is a late 90's CD reissue so it could be remastered.

boilermaker wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:26 am Is there any death metal band or the whole subgenre that is a lot more sloppy and not technical at all?

I think faceless burial do an incredible looser version of what some call technical death metal.

This and samba are my two favorite musical genres (I'm not big on genre music, should be noted). I'll have to deal with this later sitting at a computer, I could really go on.

I was in a death metal band for a long while, btw:



This is my favorite thing we put out.

It’s an incredibly silly genre, chock full of stylistic cliches and limited in scope on account of this, and is performed almost exclusively by young men who take themselves far too seriously.

CRAP

penningtron wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:16 am The really low growl vocals are a deal breaker for me, just can't take them seriously.

Yeah, same.

Are there any good death metal bands without cookie monster singer?

mrcancelled wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:04 am

penningtron wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:16 am The really low growl vocals are a deal breaker for me, just can't take them seriously.

Yeah, same.

Are there any good death metal bands without cookie monster singer?

Give Obituary's "Cause of Death" and Sadus's "Swallowed in Black" a whirl. And Death, the band.

There was a shit-ton of great death/thrash without the super gutteral vocals. Check out the Rigor Mortis self-titled. I tend towards the older, thrashier stuff.

Krev wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:34 pm

mrcancelled wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:04 am

penningtron wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:16 am The really low growl vocals are a deal breaker for me, just can't take them seriously.

Yeah, same.

Are there any good death metal bands without cookie monster singer?

Give Obituary's "Cause of Death" and Sadus's "Swallowed in Black" a whirl. And Death, the band.

There was a shit-ton of great death/thrash without the super gutteral vocals. Check out the Rigor Mortis self-titled. I tend towards the older, thrashier stuff.

Thanks, I'll give these a listen.

Not crap! I landed on death metal full time in 1990 and it changed my life. A lot of great stuff has been mentioned already, but if you are new to this then please give Morbid Angel’s “Blessed are the sick” a listen.

Death metal kind follows the same developmental path as hardcore (as least for me). Definitely not crap for its first wave (1987-1993), but definite waffle factors for subsequent waves. Once the genre was properly established, it meant a lot of mediocre music lacking the fire and creativity of, say, early Morbid Angel or Death. One gripe I have for the genre as a whole is it's lack of compositional brevity and economy. A lot of DM songs just go on too damn long for me, e.g, 5-7 minutes when a lot of it should be 2-3 mins. That said, there's still great stuff out there. My personal favourites from the last decade are Canadian black/death hybrids like Death Worship and Antediluvian, as well as most bands in which Gene Palubski of second wave greats Angelcorpse has been playing in. Also, I am a fan of grindcore bands that can successfully use DM elements, like Assuck on their second album.