I don't care for anything Saccharine Trust released after their debut EP, but man, that EP just might be the single bestest EP in the entire history of this thing called rock'n'roll music.
Btw. who's the big 4? Black Flag, Minutemen, Huskers and?
Edit: Am I the only one who can't cast a vote?
Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
22Meat Puppets.boilermaker wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:16 pm Btw. who's the big 4? Black Flag, Minutemen, Huskers and?
Descendents got big over time but were on New Alliance til '87 I think. I don't think they were seen as peers to those others at the time but maybe that's wrong.
Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
23Thanks. Makes sense. Still can't vote thoughpenningtron wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:48 pmMeat Puppets.boilermaker wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:16 pm Btw. who's the big 4? Black Flag, Minutemen, Huskers and?
Descendents got big over time but were on New Alliance til '87 I think. I don't think they were seen as peers to those others at the time but maybe that's wrong.
Sorry for my shitty English
Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
24I often see people say this but while the first EP is awesome, there's no doubt to me that "Surviving you always" is their shining moment and where they really came into their own. Meanwhile, I can see people finding "We became snakes" too "fake-jazz"and too far removed from punk/rock but I love that album too. Their other releases like the Free improv "wordbroken" or the live-comp are more for the die-hards; not something I'd recommend even if *I* like them...boilermaker wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:16 pm I don't care for anything Saccharine Trust released after their debut EP, but man, that EP just might be the single bestest EP in the entire history of this thing called rock'n'roll music.
Btw, the first Universal Congress of album ( Joe Baizas post-ST project) is absolutely killer instro-stuff as well but again, maybe too far into free improv/jam/jazz-rock territory to have much general appeal even amongst SST dorks...
Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
25That one is always a bit murky.penningtron wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:48 pmMeat Puppets.boilermaker wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:16 pm Btw. who's the big 4? Black Flag, Minutemen, Huskers and?
Descendents got big over time but were on New Alliance til '87 I think. I don't think they were seen as peers to those others at the time but maybe that's wrong.
On the one hand?
Bill did play drums in Black Flag, and Milo sang backing vocals on "Loose Nut".
On the other hand?
Not too many other bands sort of had their own place outside of genre/scene in the way that The Descendents did.
Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
26Opal. I was never a fan of Mazzy Star nor Rain Parade (although the covers LP David Roback put together under the name Rainy Day was pretty interesting) but there's something about Happy Nightmare Baby that's hard to pin down and fascinating and unique. Wish they'd kept it together a little longer. After Roback's death plans for the reissue fell apart and I had to cough up 65 bucks to replace my long-gone original pressing.
Tar Babies. I lived in Chicago during kind of a lull in the rock scene (1986-1990) and Tar Babies were one of the few local-ish bands that really blew me away live (they're from Madison, I know).
Bad Brains - I Against I. Not as essential as their early stuff but still great.
Man, SST reigned supreme during my formative years. I opened the door just a crack and everything came flooding through: Husker Du, Minutemen, Black Flag, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur jr, Meat Puppets etc. It all changed my life and it all still sounds great. Thank Dog I found SST and not hair metal.
Tar Babies. I lived in Chicago during kind of a lull in the rock scene (1986-1990) and Tar Babies were one of the few local-ish bands that really blew me away live (they're from Madison, I know).
Bad Brains - I Against I. Not as essential as their early stuff but still great.
Man, SST reigned supreme during my formative years. I opened the door just a crack and everything came flooding through: Husker Du, Minutemen, Black Flag, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur jr, Meat Puppets etc. It all changed my life and it all still sounds great. Thank Dog I found SST and not hair metal.
Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
27tonyballzee wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:36 am Opal. I was never a fan of Mazzy Star nor Rain Parade (although the covers LP David Roback put together under the name Rainy Day was pretty interesting) but there's something about Happy Nightmare Baby that's hard to pin down and fascinating and unique. Wish they'd kept it together a little longer. After Roback's death plans for the reissue fell apart and I had to cough up 65 bucks to replace my long-gone original pressing.
Tar Babies. I lived in Chicago during kind of a lull in the rock scene (1986-1990) and Tar Babies were one of the few local-ish bands that really blew me away live (they're from Madison, I know).
Bad Brains - I Against I. Not as essential as their early stuff but still great.
Man, SST reigned supreme during my formative years. I opened the door just a crack and everything came flooding through: Husker Du, Minutemen, Black Flag, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur jr, Meat Puppets etc. It all changed my life and it all still sounds great. Thank Dog I found SST and not hair metal.
All of this. I went from hair metal to SST. SST ruled my world from the summer between 7th and 8th grade through like Senior year of high school (1985-1990).
For the record, Descendents were a huge band for SST at the time. ALL (the record, before they changed their name) sold a lot of records for them in real time right when it came out. That Liveage record too.
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Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
28Right, by '87-'88. That Somery disc was my intro to the band and maybe the 2nd thing I bought from the label after The First Four Years. I just meant they weren't seen as part of that 'first wave of SST' even though they were around (first without Milo, then on and off with him).tommy wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:08 am For the record, Descendents were a huge band for SST at the time. ALL (the record, before they changed their name) sold a lot of records for them in real time right when it came out. That Live record too.
I was also being cheeky with the 'Big Four' thing as I've only ever heard that term applied to the major '80s thrash bands though it kinda works..
Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
29Oh yeah, Descendents of course. The ALL LP was my go-to record for heartache and relationship problems. In 1991 my crappy punk band played our first show with ALL and they were the greatest guys.tommy wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:08 amtonyballzee wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:36 am Opal. I was never a fan of Mazzy Star nor Rain Parade (although the covers LP David Roback put together under the name Rainy Day was pretty interesting) but there's something about Happy Nightmare Baby that's hard to pin down and fascinating and unique. Wish they'd kept it together a little longer. After Roback's death plans for the reissue fell apart and I had to cough up 65 bucks to replace my long-gone original pressing.
Tar Babies. I lived in Chicago during kind of a lull in the rock scene (1986-1990) and Tar Babies were one of the few local-ish bands that really blew me away live (they're from Madison, I know).
Bad Brains - I Against I. Not as essential as their early stuff but still great.
Man, SST reigned supreme during my formative years. I opened the door just a crack and everything came flooding through: Husker Du, Minutemen, Black Flag, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur jr, Meat Puppets etc. It all changed my life and it all still sounds great. Thank Dog I found SST and not hair metal.
All of this. I went from hair metal to SST. SST ruled my world from the summer between 7th and 8th grade through like Senior year of high school (1985-1990).
For the record, Descendents were a huge band for SST at the time. ALL (the record, before they changed their name) sold a lot of records for them in real time right when it came out. That Liveage record too.
Re: Favorite SST Underdog?
30If you have any interest in SST Records, you should really buy the debut LP by the Corsano Baiza Watt Trio:
To me this record sounds like something SST would've released in their absolute heyday.
To me this record sounds like something SST would've released in their absolute heyday.