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Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:21 pm
by Curry Pervert
The right wing/capitalists have caught on, especially over the last 10 years, to the power of the bastardisation of language. You see this with the misuse of words like 'woke' and 'triggered'. It also leads to places where nobody knows anything, because up is down, black is white etc. Just look at how easily and regularly even fairly ordinary people will refer to the Democrats as 'Marxists', 'Communists', 'Far Left'.... they are blatantly none of those things to anybody with any political literacy, and yet, here we are. It's only going to get worse. They're banking on things like the
Illusory truth effect. Someone wrote (might have been Orwell? also this is paraphrased) that if you can get people to a place of not knowing what to believe, they are easier to manipulate. That's the goal.
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:20 am
by losthighway
Curry Pervert wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:21 pm
The right wing/capitalists have caught on, especially over the last 10 years, to the power of the bastardisation of language. You see this with the misuse of words like 'woke' and 'triggered'. It also leads to places where nobody knows anything, because up is down, black is white etc. Just look at how easily and regularly even fairly ordinary people will refer to the Democrats as 'Marxists', 'Communists', 'Far Left'.... they are blatantly none of those things to anybody with any political literacy, and yet, here we are. It's only going to get worse. They're banking on things like the
Illusory truth effect. Someone wrote (might have been Orwell? also this is paraphrased) that if you can get people to a place of not knowing what to believe, they are easier to manipulate. That's the goal.
This all sounds true to me.
My father in law is a Trump voter. He made the mistake of griping about 'woke' (I still cringe how they turned that adjective into a noun but that's not the point). My wife and I are extra salty right now as any progressives surely are, so we pushed back instead of dropping it. "What does that word even mean?".
He got flustered at the question and the best he could offer was: a black doctor on Dr. Who, a black Little Mermaid and a mattress ad he saw with a white mom, a black dad and their Asian kid were sitting on a bed together.
My wife asked him why that was a problem and he didn't really respond in words just kind of muttered and trailed off.
So yeah..... racism.
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:59 am
by seby
Gramsci wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:02 am
ChudFusk wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 12:52 pm
losthighway wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:43 am
I'm so conflicted because I worry there is no term that a 21st century Civil rights movement can coin, that Maga won't wield like a slur so constantly that it becomes a distorted political liability.
Mother fuckers are now loudly talking about Diversity Equity and Inclusion like they're what's wrong with our country.
It's only a slur if we act ashamed of it. Shitlibs have shied away from the concept of being woke because conservatives say it like it's a bad thing. But the term comes from black vernacular and it still means the same thing when said in the right context.
I think this poll is unfair without a third option of Not Crap.
Fixed.
But I should contextualise a little. I had this poll in my head in the UK context, where it has no relation to its origin in African American language. I was looking at a London news account on the Socials about a new tram/bus hybrid and a bunch of weirdos started calling it a “woke” bus… it seems to now just mean “I’m not a libtard and anything I don’t like is ‘woke’”.
All hail the bendy 149 - The People’s Bus!
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:42 am
by jfv
Bullies use this word.
Fuck bullies.
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:35 am
by DrAwkward
As used in its black roots - not crap
As used as the current version of "politically correct" or whatever other racist dog whistle scares the dumbasses these days - crap
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:01 pm
by andyman
Great if not just for its ability to identify conservatives lacking any sort of empathy or social thought outside their own privileged, white experience.
"More stupid wokeness" etc.
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:23 pm
by hbiden@onlyfans.com
andyman wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:01 pm
Great if not just for its ability to identify conservatives lacking any sort of empathy or social thought outside their own privileged, white experience.
"More stupid
wokeness" etc.
pretty much.
Those who voted crap, what word do u prefer?
ranxerox wrote: I have never personally heard someone claim 'wokeness' for themselves.
I’m definitely woke (but not woke mob). Doesnt bother me if they accuse me.
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:57 pm
by andyman
hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:23 pm
ranxerox wrote: I have never personally heard someone claim 'wokeness' for themselves.
I’m definitely woke (but not woke mob). Doesnt bother me if they accuse me.
I forgot about this, but people used to say "get woke" in relation to anti-capitalism/-fascism before the right caught on.
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:31 am
by jimmy spako
I would like to be swolke, i.e. both swoll and woke.
Re: Word - Woke
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:50 pm
by joelb
It's useful in the current U.S. context in that it signals something more about the speaker's character than the speaker can comprehend. In the same way as talking down to staff.
"I don't like this and am angry, but I either won't admit why or am incapable of explaining myself"*
*except for the segment that is happy to be explicit about its bigotry. We have some of those too.
It's important to use words that have specific meanings and to say exactly what you mean. I try my best to avoid using words that onto which others can project meaning but it ain't easy.