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The prison firefighters thing isn't just California, though. WA also does it. They get $1.50/hr for training, and the state minimum for actual firefighting.

zorg wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:18 am So electing the next president should just be an endless succession of VPs? I’m not so sure that’s how its supposed to work. You’re also conveniently glossing over the main consideration….money.

If one party kept winning all the elections you probably would see an endless succession of VPs become president, right?

But in most political systems you don't vote for the party leader at all. The US is anomalous in having a long, drawn-out process to select a candidate, and then have the whole thing decided by a weird and anti-democratic Electoral College anyway.

Vance is clearly an idiot. Banging on about Walz not going to Iraq, when he was there… in the marine journalist group of people.

Vance is stolen valor incarnate. Fake ass hillbilly profiteering off the misery of others.

The Vance couch stuff is good.

enframed wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:12 am The Vance couch stuff is good.

Stolen Velour

It's sad that politics has devolved to this level but it's hard not to feel they are being hoisted by their own petard. He's a couch fucker, and it's hilarious to see them complaining that it's not true because nobody cares if it's not true and YOU DID THIS.

And on the subject of being completely full of shit, has Elon Musk ever looked more pathetic than when he's simping for Trump?

As far as I know, Vance never denied the rumors (nor should he).

Because like you said, every politician knows the truth doesn’t matter. You signed yourself up for this.

Krev wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 8:12 pm Fake ass hillbilly

stolen squalor

That's tight