It's a free country, so if people want to wave signs that say things like "Killer Kamala" outside the DNC convention, they should probably be able to. However, it does seem notably off. At the very least, there's something asymmetrical when it comes to protestors like this taking liberals/left-of-center politicians to task about these issues but not also their right-wing/alt. right/fascist counterparts. You tell me why this is, I don't know. Probably a can of worms. But I suspect it has something to do with the protestors not being able to garner much of an audience or any real sympathy among those on the right, who will happily plow over their grievances without a second thought.

cakes wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:18 pm They are only protesting the safe space of the democrats, who already have shown willingness to listen.

Democrats are the ones approving the sales of weapons and jets and stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It is unnecessarily derailing things, if it has any affect and it's become obnoxious because they seem to be missing the forest for the trees.

I don't think so. At this point I believe people's votes are pretty locked-in. Aggressively calling for an immediate cease-fire won't keep swing voters home. Let 'em cook!

Speaking as someone who is trans and has seen people treat our ongoing genocide (and yes, it is absolutely a genocide) as a side issue and consider us expendable for “the greater good”, I have nothing but support for those protesting the Palestinian genocide by whatever means necessary.

I think I can get behind the notion that activists could possibly compel the Dems to change course. Their words would be wasted on Trump. Kamala has already shown some wiggle on the issue, even if she hasn't made a shift to a better place yet.

"Punishing" Kamala by not voting for her in a swing state would be horribly stupid. But protesting at the DNC is pretty cool to me.

I’m biting my tongue here not losing my shit when I hear things like

cakes wrote: They're focusing on a really narrow issue that doesn't directly effect people's lives in the US,

Did it occur to you that the murdering is happening today? With Kamala’s cooperation and complicity? Perhaps they’re less worried about how Kamala is going to act in office because there will be nothing left to save. Add to that the endless liberal lies about how they are the kind and virtuous ones…

.But US President Joe Biden has a different view of Washington’s role in the war.
“I’m the guy that did more for the Palestinian community than anybody,” he said in an interview that aired online on Monday.

Go Joe!

rsmurphy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:29 am I bet people thought abolitionists were a bit much.

Gramsci wrote: It’s about timing not the actual issue.

The US is current in an election between centrist and literal fascists.

Saying you’re going to withdraw your support from the centrists because of this - highly important but - single issue in a First Past the Post system is a bad strategy when your are potentially helping elect something far worse on every level.

Even abolitionists and civil rights activists weren’t that dumb.

Just to make it clear, personally I completely agree with people protesting and advocating an end to that shitty dispute.

Streeting coming within 500 votes of being out on his arse had more of an impact on the Labour position than nearly 1 million people marching.

strontiumtom wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:50 am

rsmurphy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:29 am I bet people thought abolitionists were a bit much.

Gramsci wrote: It’s about timing not the actual issue.

The US is current in an election between centrist and literal fascists.

Saying you’re going to withdraw your support from the centrists because of this - highly important but - single issue in a First Past the Post system is a bad strategy when your are potentially helping elect something far worse on every level.

Even abolitionists and civil rights activists weren’t that dumb.

Just to make it clear, personally I completely agree with people protesting and advocating an end to that shitty dispute.

Streeting coming within 500 votes of being out on his arse had more of an impact on the Labour position than nearly 1 million people marching.

Labour’s position didn’t change. They’d already moved to a creasefire position months earlier.

I'm predicting a bunch of those independents will end up quitting. Being an MP sucks at the best of times but if you have no party structure or understanding of how it all works… a terrible job. They’ll all be completely ignored by the rest of parliament.

losthighway wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 8:17 pm"Punishing" Kamala by not voting for her in a swing state would be horribly stupid. But protesting at the DNC is pretty cool to me.

That's ultimately it.. what is the end game here. Kick and scream all day long but there are two outcomes in November. You've already shown a weak hand by admitting the Republicans would like nothing more than to spray you with teargas. Bowman, Bush, and Tlaib are morally right on the issue, but now mostly powerless to do anything about it. So where is the actual solution here.

Gramsci wrote:

strontiumtom wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:50 am

rsmurphy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:29 am I bet people thought abolitionists were a bit much.

Gramsci wrote: It’s about timing not the actual issue.

The US is current in an election between centrist and literal fascists.

Saying you’re going to withdraw your support from the centrists because of this - highly important but - single issue in a First Past the Post system is a bad strategy when your are potentially helping elect something far worse on every level.

Even abolitionists and civil rights activists weren’t that dumb.

Just to make it clear, personally I completely agree with people protesting and advocating an end to that shitty dispute.

Streeting coming within 500 votes of being out on his arse had more of an impact on the Labour position than nearly 1 million people marching.

Labour’s position didn’t change. They’d already moved to a creasefire position months earlier.

And you don't think protests and discourse in the build-up to the election had any effect on that decision-making?

They went from abstaining on votes and talking about temporary ceasefires to- post-election- restoring funding to UNRWA and (temporarily) changing position on the ICC warrant. Electoral pressure did that.