trilonaut wrote:do those of you complaining realize what this sounds like?

losthighway
wrote:the record industry IS toppling... but the good news is this"

BUT? the record industry toppling IS good news.

rocker654 wrote:My old man loved Elvis, and hated Black Flag. I loved both.
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enjoy your shitty music kiddos

so are you saying that you're a close-minded grumpy old man? or that people should only be open to what came before their time, but not what came after? i don't know, doesn't sound like fun. i'm going to try to enjoy this more democratic diy culture. so underground and corporate are blurred -- so what? isn't this a good thing that people can record and share their music more easily than ever before? are you people complaining that major label a&r reps aren't preselecting for you, determining who you can hear?

i mean goddamn, this is the most free time ever for recorded music. the amount available is exponentially greater, and so much of it, without even resorting to piracy (which is easy these days), is FREE. and people are complaining that they don't have the energy to sort through it and find something good? that's your own fault. i don't have the energy either, but i'm not complaining about it -- this is a far better model than just having to accept what some fatcats spoonfeed us. everyone's an a&r agent now, getting solicited on myspace by a zillion bands they don't know.

"freedom of choice is what you got
freedom from choice is what you want"

Nope. The music I hear nowadays just plain sucks. It has nothing to do with being grumpy or old.

Besides the new Cheap Trick album (a band staffed by even older men), I did remember that I liked a lot of QOTSA and ATDI stuff. But, that's pretty much it.

Like Jimmy Sham said "The kids are fookin' 'orrible". It's your fault, not mine.

rocker654 wrote:
Nope. The music I hear nowadays just plain sucks. It has nothing to do with being grumpy or old.

Besides the new Cheap Trick album (a band staffed by even older men), I did remember that I liked a lot of QOTSA and ATDI stuff. But, that's pretty much it.

Like Jimmy Sham said "The kids are fookin' 'orrible". It's your fault, not mine.

I apologize because I haven't had time to wade through the last 4 pages of this thread, however, a quote like this begs the question; " 'Rocker654' are you a music fan?" This stance that you've adopted would seem to be in complete contradiction to someone who actually enjoyed music.

I am not trying to attack you, I am simply wondering at what point you cut off enjoying NEW music? Was there a year? Was there a reason. Personally I think there is great music being released all the time. Granted, there is a boatload of shit wading out there, but I don't think we're in any sort of 'musical dark age' or 'the good times are gone.'

Just curious.

-Jeremy

rocker654 wrote:

Minotaur029 wrote:

rocker654 wrote:The youngsters are taking the same position that youngsters from the previous generations have had again and again.

My old man loved Elvis, and hated Black Flag. I loved both.

And my opinion is that nothing that has been produced in the last 15-20 years can compete with either one of them. Period.

This is my opinion. 20 year old knuckleheads will not be able to sway that opinion (nor 50 year old knuckleheads, either).

Enjoy your shitty music, kiddos.

You are a complete dumbass. You have no fucking clue, old man. Obviously your days of traversing the true, non-"old man punk" underground are long over. If you weren't such a prick, I'd shut you up immediately via sendspace.

You are a stupid kid. You'd "shut me up via sendspace"? What the fuck does that mean?

Go back to playing D&D, little nerd.

Sendspace is a file sharing network...often it is full of music that blows Black Flag out of the fucking water.

And the old man punk circuit? Happenin'?

Also, this:

rocker654 wrote:Besides the new Cheap Trick album (a band staffed by even older men), I did remember that I liked a lot of QOTSA and ATDI stuff. But, that's pretty much it.

Oh my fucking god...you are clueless. At the Drive In? I thought you were 53, not 15.

As Stan Marsh once said..."get over yourself, you douche."

oucheh wrote:" 'Rocker654' are you a music fan?" This stance that you've adopted would seem to be in complete contradiction to someone who actually enjoyed music.

I am not trying to attack you, I am simply wondering at what point you cut off enjoying NEW music? Was there a year? Was there a reason.

No year, no particular reason. I love music. There may be great music being created nowadays, but I have not been exposed to it. I never really had to look too far before.

Like I said, it's a matter of taste. The stance I have adopted is that the new music I've heard is not good and gives me no reason to like it. Another thing I've said is that I wish someone would prove me wrong.

Believe me, I would love to hear some good new music.

oucheh wrote:

rocker654 wrote:
Nope. The music I hear nowadays just plain sucks. It has nothing to do with being grumpy or old.

Besides the new Cheap Trick album (a band staffed by even older men), I did remember that I liked a lot of QOTSA and ATDI stuff. But, that's pretty much it.

Like Jimmy Sham said "The kids are fookin' 'orrible". It's your fault, not mine.

I apologize because I haven't had time to wade through the last 4 pages of this thread, however, a quote like this begs the question; " 'Rocker654' are you a music fan?" This stance that you've adopted would seem to be in complete contradiction to someone who actually enjoyed music.

I am not trying to attack you, I am simply wondering at what point you cut off enjoying NEW music? Was there a year? Was there a reason. Personally I think there is great music being released all the time. Granted, there is a boatload of shit wading out there, but I don't think we're in any sort of 'musical dark age' or 'the good times are gone.'

Just curious.

-Jeremy

Rocker654, I do not understand the point of your comment. Are you trying to promote Elvis and Black Flag? If so, promotion doesn't work too well when accompanied by comments that will only serve to alienate you from the very people you expect and want your opinions to be exposed to.

If you truly are so far gone that you insist on influencing others while refusing to be open-minded yourself, at least try to be more subtle about it. Then again, maybe it's too late for that if you're blanketing the last twenty years of music with a "crap" label.

And just to be frustrating, know that any response you make to this message will not affect me in any way. I love you.

JamLifeIntoDeath wrote:And just to be frustrating, know that any response you make to this message will not affect me in any way. I love you.

Seconded. Am I immune to your "wrath" because I am a stupid kid? No.

I am a strong believer in having respect for my elders...unless they're grumpy old farts who don't know what they're talking about.

I see your type at almost every show...although not usually the good ones (I'm just being honest...when you give up, you miss out on something that might actually impress you...and then you end up at shitty shows when you actually decide to drag your old, jaded, ass out). You spout off a bunch of legendary artists that you think are infallible and incredible...and you don't know a bunch of similar artists from more recent years that I know you would be impressed by (if you weren't too jaded to listen).

As a young whipper snapper who actually takes advantage of the wealth of information that the internet provides, I can almost guarantee you that I have a wider, broader, and yet still more specific knowledge of music than your vinyl-encrusted ass could ever hope to know. Most kids I know don't have the knowledge that I know you do (as incomplete as it is). They rip off one or two bands, write consumer driven tunes, and generally suck. Most bands I know don't get really good until they're pushing 30. Some music I know is a little ahead of schedule. In every era, almost everything sucks...except for the music that lasts (you asshat).

I am not a "nerd"...I just have a passion for music that I cannot possibly control. You are an old man that seems to have lost that passion. I know guys in their 40s that are at the shows that I go to...and they haven't lost their passion. What happened to you, dickless?

Minotaur029 wrote:

JamLifeIntoDeath wrote:And just to be frustrating, know that any response you make to this message will not affect me in any way. I love you.

Seconded. Am I immune to your "wrath" because I am a stupid kid? No.

I am a strong believer in having respect for my elders...unless they're grumpy old farts who don't know what they're talking about.

Jesus Christ you sure look pretty on your fucking high horse.

zom-zom wrote:True. However, when we recorded our first album in 1982, there was one recording studio in town. Now every jackass with a laptop and a few piece-of-shit Studio Microphones and some plug-ins has a Recording Studio.

And that's a bad thing how? The individual has taken control, chooses how to record and distribute. Sure, this hurts regular studios, but only up to a point. The normal recording studio won't be phased out like an 8-track tape. Studios will have to evolve or die, to keep up with home recording.

In my case, if I can do it for cheaper at home, then that's where I'll do it. With that being said, I'd still like to record in professional studio, like Albini's.

zom-zom wrote:Besides cheapening the recording profession, I think it's lowered the standards for bands and performances. Some overly-enthusiastic recording "engineer" clod telling you how much you rock in exchange for your $25/hour.

Who wants the "clod" in any situation? I'd rather record at home, then listen to a jerk off telling me how much "I rock", or how the songs should sound.

zom-zom wrote:Many years ago I said the best thing and the worst thing that Punk Rock spawned was the idea that everybody could start a band. I liked it better when being in a band gave one the aura of being some sort of weirdo to most of the squares. Now everyone is in some horse-shit band, covered in ink. Barff.

There's nothing special about being in a band. The specialness is in the moment, when you play. Everyone starting a band, and being able to record is a godsend. No one's making us sit through shitty bands, or forcing us to engage with some out-of-touch asswipe that owns a label, or a studio. I think by now, most of the people on this forum have the keen ability to ignore, or block out complete garbage.

Steve V. wrote:

Minotaur029 wrote:

JamLifeIntoDeath wrote:And just to be frustrating, know that any response you make to this message will not affect me in any way. I love you.

Seconded. Am I immune to your "wrath" because I am a stupid kid? No.

I am a strong believer in having respect for my elders...unless they're grumpy old farts who don't know what they're talking about.

Jesus Christ you sure look pretty on your fucking high horse.

Yee-haw. This guy has come after me way too many times.