zorg wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:15 pm
We seem to be going over the same topics endlessly, but contrary to Noam, I still contend that a greater evil than either of the two candidates is the endless revolving door that ALWAYS serves BOTH the parties and their wealthy constituents regardless of the outcome. There is no hardline anti-war party, there is no hardline anti-big business party, there is no hardline universal healthcare party, there is no hardline environmental party. There is no thought at all to reduce the national debt from either party. Because those are topics that benefit the 1%ers and have already been predetermined. But those are not small topics, those are the topics I want to vote on, and am not offered any choice whatsoever. They give us baubles. You selfish poor people can help us negotiate the fate of the illegal immigrants, price of eggs, your college debt, your gay cousin, and your sister's pregnancy,...it's an emotional smokescreen laid out to give the illusion of legitimate choice, and entice with petty fantasies much like Vegas casinos, and it is absolutely intentional.
I'm not going to outline the progress that has been made w/r/t womens rights, minority rights, voting rights, lgbtq, workers, etc in the last 50 years. If you think that since I've been alive things have moved nowhere, well. I'm not gonna win any argument because you must live a different life than mine.
Voting for a candidate is a transaction, not an endorsement. You don't adopt their sins. You create a transaction that moves a cause forward. Anyone who thinks that not fighting fascists is a good way to move things further left is inarguably wrong.
Whoever in leftist circles is telling you that the candidate who supports ending birth right citizenship, advocates for political deportation, would like to see homosexuals wiped off the planet, and wants to end voting rights all together
is the same as the candidate who categorically rejects these things simply because they exist in the same capitalist sphere is outright gaslighting you.
I can only guess that these people somehow have less to lose than others.
ETA* I can actually guess more than that. I'm pretty certain most anon leftist circles are completely invaded at this point. If you don't know who you're talking to online, they're likely lying.