spoon wrote:

punch_the_lion wrote: Despite the large influx of Spanish immigrants, they still represent the minority and I don't see them surpassing the caucasian and black ( or African-American depending on the nomenclature) population that speaks predominately English. The offspring of these immigrants will have been educated in public schools to speak English but seeing something progress to that stage is too radical.

Latinos (or Hispanics) are the current largest minority in the U.S. surpassing the Black population accoriding to that last census. That was around 13% not counting those that are illegal.

But what is this legislation really about? It is really geared toward one immigrant group...and its not those of the European variety.

I think that is the real issue. Control. Control of the current power structure. This group that is coming in unchecked will soon develop numbers (legal, voting numbers) that will allow them to "take over" politically/socially. You can see it in smaller numbers nationally (Mayor of LA, Ald. Ocasio, Cong. Gutierrez etc.) but this even bigger than that.

But this is not the complete picture. The fear the existing power structure should have is for the Chinese. What a resiliant group of people...they are truly everywhere...I mean every country. They speak Chinese (many dialects) and whatever language spoken in the area they settle (Spanish, Polish, German). Truly amazing.
Plus, by race, they account for the largest percentage of grad students!

So the future will have the Chinese owning/running everything with the Latinos (still) providing the labor.

Verse 1

It's sunrise. Do you see by the light of the dawn
What we proudly hailed last nightfall?
Its stars, its stripes
yesterday streamed
above fierce combat
a symbol of victory
the glory of battle, the march toward liberty.
Throughout the night, they proclaimed: "We will defend it!"

Chorus

Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave
above the land of the free,
the sacred flag?

Verse 2

Its stars, its stripes,
Liberty, we are the same.
We are brothers in our anthem.
In fierce combat, a symbol of victory
the glory of battle,
(My people fight on)
the march toward liberty.
(The time has come to break the chains.)
Throughout the night they proclaimed: "We will defend it!"
Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave above the land of the free,
the sacred flag?

It's time to make a difference the kids, men and the women
Let's stand for our beliefs, let's stand for our vision
What about the children los ninos como P-Star
These kids have no parents, 'cause of all of these mean laws.
See this can't happen, not only about the Latins.
Asians, blacks and whites and all they do is adding
more and more, let's not start a war with all these hard workers,
they can't help where they were born.

Tom wrote:Here is the song.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/a ... /himno.mp3

I challenge anyone here to listen to this and say that it is not crap.

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It's time to make a difference the kids, men and the women
Let's stand for our beliefs, let's stand for our vision
What about the children los ninos como P-Star
These kids have no parents, 'cause of all of these mean laws.
See this can't happen, not only about the Latins.
Asians, blacks and whites and all they do is adding
more and more, let's not start a war with all these hard workers,
they can't help where they were born.

vilna43 wrote:Yes. The state is my enemy but not necessarily the human individuals who are more enmeshed in that mess than regular citizens. The parameters are affected by the economy but should not be defined by the same. That is the problem of the tool conditioning the human, eventually allowing efficiency to swallow human spontanaiety along with the vestiges of a human morality. Again obviously alot of Ellul still in my thought.