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madlee wrote:

I'm pretty sure that's neat gin, not water.

i don't need this douchebag to tell me that waterboarding is simulated drowning.

i haven't followed his "career", but it seems maybe he's trying to remain relevant as the wind changes direction slightly. pretty sure other douchebag "journalists" have already done this.


hitchens? who the fuck cares.

waterboarding? it's about the sadists need to torture (& maybe inspire fear), nothing else.

of course we all know it is torture. that's not my point. I just think it is fucking funny as shit to see him get tortured. next up, stress positions!

madlee wrote:of course we all know it is torture. that's not my point. I just think it is fucking funny as shit to see him get tortured. next up, stress positions!

who among us hasn't tortured himself from time to time to get ahead?

Cranius wrote:

madlee wrote:

I'm pretty sure that's neat gin, not water.

"More, more! Put me back under, damn you!"

I think that it is good that he has stated that waterboarding is definitely torture. However, I wonder about the mental aerobatics required to reconcile his distaste for this form of cruelty with his oft-stated enthusiasm for bombing "primitives" (a term he has used, if memory serves). Perhaps because torture is a little too personal?

Man, I am totally embarassed about the comments I left in this thread. What a trifling douche I can be.

Bob pretty much nailed my flip-flopping on the war, and he was right to do it. He also nailed my know-it-all "lecturing" of Galanter, which opinions were clearly half-formed (and ill-informed) at best.

The truth is that I know fuck-all about the war compared to a number of people on this thread. I've discovered that. Not to mention actual journalists and researchers.

Bob, I owe you an apology for this nonsense.

jimmy spako wrote:i don't need this douchebag to tell me that waterboarding is simulated drowning.

Me Neither, although I did have to do some research some months ago to find out what it actually was. I doubt the average man on the street would bother to do the same. The fact that it is often described as 'wetting a terrorists face' or 'taking him for a dunk' is belittling it to the extreme.

I don't like Hitchens much, but I am pleased that at least someone is prepared to subject themselevs to such a horrible experience in order to publicise this torturing. A lot of the advocates of waterboarding as an interrogation method claim to have been waterboarded themselves, I wonder if they are even telling the truth, and If so how long they lasted. Here, Hitchens has provided us with a video of waterboarding so we can make up our own minds, who else is doing that?

I can't believe that this guy needed to be waterboarded to understand that it is torture.

The voice of reason and rationality dictate what torture is and we ALL know that this is on the wrong side of the line.

yeah he's a douche, and he's stubborn and insufferable, but he's among the few writers I can enjoy reading while disagreeing with him.

I like him. And "God is Not Great" is a pretty good read.

NOT CRAP

Heeby Jeeby wrote:I can't believe that this guy needed to be waterboarded to understand that it is torture.

The voice of reason and rationality dictate what torture is and we ALL know that this is on the wrong side of the line.

Not here in America, where Glenn Beck goes on the hypnotube and repeats that "waterboarding really isn't so bad" enough times that people either believe him or at least begin to question the veracity of the claim that waterboarding is torture.

In this context, for all of Hitch's douchebaggery, I have to give him credit for going in without trying to hedge an end result in the interest of objectivity.