https://bullfrog.ericasynths.lv/bullfrog.html

interesting!

I igotta be honest, when I see something like that where there really is no input device like a guitar or keyboard or e-kit or whatever, I get lost in what the thing actually does.

Maybe I just don't synth, bro.

Frankie99 wrote: I igotta be honest, when I see something like that where there really is no input device like a guitar or keyboard or e-kit or whatever, I get lost in what the thing actually does.

Maybe I just don't synth, bro.

It has a MIDI in, so I'm 99% sure it's an external synth module that can be trigged with any old MIDI keyboard controller. Will assume the 1/4" output is a TRS/stereo out.

If anyone knows the retail price, let us know. I got an organ emulation module a few months back, and a cheap used keyboard amp that can also double as a P.A. with a dynamic mic, and I'm curious about this one if it's not more than 5 bills.

That Squier Paranormal XII mentioned elsewhere is also very tempting.

eephus wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:32 pm I've gotten two of the Origin Effects all-analog preamp pedals recently.

I got the Super Vintage fake SVT to run into this little solid state bass head that I have, and I think it sounds pretty swell. It captures both the upper-end "ting" and the midrange grunt of the Ampeg tone stack, which are the first two things to go away when I try to use a SS amplifier.

It's good enough that I decided to get the Deluxe 61 and try it on guitar/baritone. It's also quite good--imbues things with the black panel Fender sound and crucially does about as good a job on the Fender tremolo as you could expect.

Their pedals are not cheap, but I like what I've heard from them so far.

Oh dang, that Black Panel one sounds really good based on the YouTube demos.

eephus wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:32 pm I've gotten two of the Origin Effects all-analog preamp pedals recently.

I got the Super Vintage fake SVT to run into this little solid state bass head that I have, and I think it sounds pretty swell. It captures both the upper-end "ting" and the midrange grunt of the Ampeg tone stack, which are the first two things to go away when I try to use a SS amplifier.

It's good enough that I decided to get the Deluxe 61 and try it on guitar/baritone. It's also quite good--imbues things with the black panel Fender sound and crucially does about as good a job on the Fender tremolo as you could expect.

Their pedals are not cheap, but I like what I've heard from them so far.

Please tell me you are not talking about this pedal...



... I already had to convince myself that I didn't actually need that pedal after seeing that clip.

I gotta be honest, I've never understood those amp-in-a-pedal pedals & they've been around in one form or another for like 20 years. I mean like outside the SansAmp bass driver anyway.

For bass, sure - plug into pedal > pedal into effects return and then the pedal's a preamp or also w/ the sansamp, you have a di that sounds like you want to sound.

For guitar, if you're touring and borrowing backline, maybe this also makes sense in that you can have pretty close emulation of your sound. Spike from DRI does this if you can believe it. Did sound for him a few years ago and he used backline amps from the openers. Part of their rider says "just need two 100 watt 4x12s on stage that have efx loops on them" and he's got a preamp rig that he takes so they don't have to rent a giant bus and bring a huge backline. And no shit, he sounded AWESOME - and one of those amps was a cheap-as-chips-does-everything solid-state amp, you know the one.

But that demo above, he is plugging a preamp into another preamp...like some seriously boutique-looking thing no less. I'm not saying he doesn't sound good, but why isn't this putting a hat on top of another hat? If he was going into an efx return...ok but that's never how I see these used.

What gives, what am I missing here?

numberthirty wrote: Please tell me you are not talking about this pedal...



... I already had to convince myself that I didn't actually need that pedal after seeing that clip.

That is it, yes.

Garth wrote: I gotta be honest, I've never understood those amp-in-a-pedal pedals & they've been around in one form or another for like 20 years.

Most amp modeling, digital or analog, is not good. I agree 100%. I have tried many amp modeling things, and other than a couple bass plug-ins that are good enough, I basically dislike them.

For bass, sure - plug into pedal > pedal into effects return and then the pedal's a preamp or also w/ the sansamp, you have a di that sounds like you want to sound.

The Super Vintage into a good Class D power amp has sufficient balls that I don't miss having a V4 very much if at all. It's not "the same," but it's close and I'm satisfied by it.

Of course the Rusty Box is good if you want the Traynor pre sound. Clint Conley and Bob W can't both be wrong (can they...?).

For guitar, if you're touring and borrowing backline, maybe this also makes sense in that you can have pretty close emulation of your sound.

Yes.

But that demo above, he is plugging a preamp into another preamp...like some seriously boutique-looking thing no less. I'm not saying he doesn't sound good, but why isn't this putting a hat on top of another hat? If he was going into an efx return...ok but that's never how I see these used.

What gives, what am I missing here?

Well...you kind of already made the cases for doing it! Ha ha!

My favorite guitar sounds, for me, are black panel Vibrolux and Super Reverb.

I have these amps, luckily. And they sound great. They're also pushing 60yrs old, so they are prone to failing/drifting on you if you push them a bit. I don't particularly care about weight and stuff, but it is also true that a Super Reverb is like trying to haul around a couple of preschoolers in a sack.

I have a Balls Hiwatt 50 clone that has been very reliable and is built like a truck...and it has more headroom than those other amps, esp if I run it into a relatively high-output 2x10...which is also good for baritone and D-tuned guitar (Vibrolux farts out a little on the low B). But it's a little too clean by comparison.

The Deluxe 61 used judiciously grits it up just enough, very natural sound. Result being a slightly cleaner, higher-fi version of the BF Fender sound. Just what I wanted. I think it would do something similar run into any fairly clean, full-spectrum guitar amp, but I tried it on the Ballswatt and it worked, so good enough.

And, critically, the tremolo is really good, as evidenced adequately in the demo in numberthirty's post.

All this amp in a pedal talk reminds me of this.

Dr Tony Balls wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:58 am Slow couple of months there...

AB165 Bassman-style preamp. Customer is in love with the sound of his AB165 Bassman but needs something mass-transit friendly. He'll be pairing it with a pedalboard power amp (Quilter or the like) and have an all-in-one pedalboard rig that can connect direct to a cab. It reproduce the Bassman preamp with FETs in place of 12AX7 triodes, running at 18V off a standard 9V supply, with an added master volume. I tested it by plugging it in to the power-amp in on a Sunn Beta and it rips!

ok, running this sort of thing into the standard input of an amp that has a ton of headroom makes more sense in my brain I guess.

That being said I'm not a purist by any means so anything that delivers the thing you're going for is good by me. The weird part for me was "ok, I'm taking a preamp and tone stack and then plugging it into...another preamp with another tone stack on it" hence the "putting hat on a hat" comment. The other sticking point is that I would think this would deliver wildly different results from amp to amp (and maybe it does, IDK) so if you're trying to sound like the pedal, it's never going to happen or maybe you get lucky? IDK. Still a little odd to me I guess, but not going to yuck anyone's yum over it.

Garth wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:30 am That being said I'm not a purist by any means so anything that delivers the thing you're going for is good by me. The weird part for me was "ok, I'm taking a preamp and tone stack and then plugging it into...another preamp with another tone stack on it" hence the "putting hat on a hat" comment.

I don't oppose using an 'amp pedal' like any other pedal, though do stop short of using the speaker emulator button into a real speaker cab (even though it's just additional EQ).