sphincter wrote:This conspiracy would potentially involve thousands of people, according to the theories these people would come from a lot of sectors and countries, including the media, government, public services, civilians and more?

I don't think that many people had working knowledge of the plot. For years, lower level officials in government agencies like the FBI and FAA and the CIA tried to investigate al Qaeda and the threat of a hijacking-initiated attack by the book, but they were stymied by roadblocks placed in their paths by those at the top, because al Qaeda was created for a purpose. When the day of 9/11 came, much of the defense system tried to work, but a small quantity of highly-placed moles and conspirators stuck wrenchs in the gears.

The active conspiracy was small. The frustrated investigation and response was large. To pull off 9/11, you don't need to enlist lots of people into your plan- with small adjustments to the system made by a tight-knit cabal, the system will fail. People ask questions in the aftermath, but the cover up and the intimidation factor and peer pressure seeks to crush them. That is the struggle we are in now.

clocker bob wrote:

sphincter wrote:This conspiracy would potentially involve thousands of people, according to the theories these people would come from a lot of sectors and countries, including the media, government, public services, civilians and more?

I don't think that many people had working knowledge of the plot. For years, lower level officials in government agencies like the FBI and FAA and the CIA tried to investigate al Qaeda and the threat of a hijacking-initiated attack by the book, but they were stymied by roadblocks placed in their paths by those at the top, because al Qaeda was created for a purpose. When the day of 9/11 came, much of the defense system tried to work, but a small quantity of highly-placed moles and conspirators stuck wrenchs in the gears.

The active conspiracy was small. The frustrated investigation and response was large. To pull off 9/11, you don't need to enlist lots of people into your plan- with small adjustments to the system made by a tight-knit cabal, the system will fail. People ask questions in the aftermath, but the cover up and the intimidation factor and peer pressure seeks to crush them. That is the struggle we are in now.

Weird that the only people that noticed were unemployed internet addicts and not the people that were 'unknowingly involved'.

And also the point still remains-America is self destructing because of all this, so the American government planned the elborate plot to destory themselves/itself? This is probably the most interesting suicide of a country ever.

Sorry for being a dick, I'm sure you have a job really.

It's funny, I saw a programme about the main 9/11 conspiracy theory (the one that's being released as a movie). I can't really remember too much about it, apart from the fact that the kid making it was an unemployed drop out, who went on to criticise some mechanical(?) experts from some magazine or something(?) who surveyed the buildings collapse. He was saying that they have no authority on the subject and they shouldn't be evaluating the event/getting involved. Slightly ironic that he thinks he should be...I guess he didn't like what they had to say because they rubbished all his theories. Experts are telling you you're wrong on all points but you keep blazing. What I think is-it's impossible to prove to you and most of the people pushing this that no conspiracy took place. Again though, I don't actually know anything, I just use common sense to form my thoughts.

sphincter wrote:
It's funny, I saw a programme about the main 9/11 conspiracy theory (the one that's being released as a movie).

So you are a retard then. If you think that the 'main 9/11 conspiracy theory' was invented in Dylan Avery's basement, then you probably believe in Santa Claus, too.

sphincter wrote: Experts are telling you you're wrong on all points but you keep blazing.

Sucks, don't it? Whenever you're ready to trot out your experts, let's go.

Thanks for helping to keep this thread on page one, whoever-you-used-to-be-here-before-you-took-the-name-sphincter.

clocker bob wrote:

sphincter wrote:
It's funny, I saw a programme about the main 9/11 conspiracy theory (the one that's being released as a movie).

So you are a retard then. If you think that the 'main 9/11 conspiracy theory' was invented in Dylan Avery's basement, then you probably believe in Santa Claus, too.

sphincter wrote: Experts are telling you you're wrong on all points but you keep blazing.

Sucks, don't it? Whenever you're ready to trot out your experts, let's go.

Thanks for helping to keep this thread on page one, whoever-you-used-to-be-here-before-you-took-the-name-sphincter.

Most famous Theory? Get anal about how I type things you could probably spend all day picking me apart.

Theory with most media coverge?/Theory that the media is talking about a lot right now?/Theory being made into a film to be released in cinemas? Whatever?

I dunno, thing is mate, I'm not interested in the subject enough to know which is the main/first/last theory on the topic, I guess I grew out of all this when I saw that Mel Gibson film?

Trot out my experts?

I'm getting my information from a limited source, infact I'm not getting my information at all, I've just seen a couple documentries casually on TV and read the usual blurb from you lot and such. The one I was quoting (haha) from was the recent BBC 'conspiracy file'. They quote and interview experts about structural engineering and related subjects in the doc, who rubbish all over this kids comments, all his points were destroyed by them.

Of course you'll probably come back with some crap like the BBC has a pro American agenda? Or maybe not now I've said that, I'd just like to say anyway- the BBC and the british media jump at any chance to shit all over Americas reputation, and our own. Or maybe these experts are CIA agents.

For your next post don't pull apart my actual argument, focus on how I type things again. I may have made some spelling errors or some type-os somewhere, you can really fuck me over with that shit.

sphincter wrote:Theory with most media coverge?/Theory that the media is talking about a lot right now?/Theory being made into a film to be released in cinemas? Whatever?

You are still operating under the complete misconception that the creators of Loose Change write conspiracy theories. They compiled existing theories into a homemade movie. As long as you continue to think that 9/11 conspiracy theories can be debunked by beginning with an examination of Dylan Avery, you're a retard. If you analyze a football game that is broadcast on television, the televison acts as a window into the game itself. You don't try and figure out why the Chicago Bears played poorly in the Super Bowl by looking at who operated the cameras or sent the game feed to the satellite.

clocker bob wrote:

sphincter wrote:Theory with most media coverge?/Theory that the media is talking about a lot right now?/Theory being made into a film to be released in cinemas? Whatever?

You are still operating under the complete misconception that the creators of Loose Change write conspiracy theories. They compiled existing theories into a homemade movie. As long as you continue to think that 9/11 conspiracy theories can be debunked by beginning with an examination of Dylan Avery, you're a retard. If you analyze a football game that is broadcast on television, the televison acts as a window into the game itself. You don't try and figure out why the Chicago Bears played poorly in the Super Bowl by looking at who operated the cameras or sent the game feed to the satellite.

What!!??!!??....damn.....so you mean all these 9/11 "conspiracy theories"...they might just have some validity?....I might have to examine things for myself?...think for myself?....stop sucking up useless stimulation disguised as information from my TV?....WHY are you doing this to me?....I want to be smug and hip...I don't want to give a shit about the republic....I just want to be funny on internet message boards and talk about bullshit......Fuck You Bob!.....you know what Bob?....I'll just taunt you with loaded accusations of paranoia and make jokes about you...whatever...OK!!??....OK?


(just for the record Bob...that was meant to be sarcastic...or stupid , I'm not really so sure...but you probably get the thinly veiled joke....best of luck and keep up the good work)

JC23by5 wrote:What!!??!!??....damn.....so you mean all these 9/11 "conspiracy theories"...they might just have some validity?....I might have to examine things for myself?...think for myself?....stop sucking up useless stimulation disguised as information from my TV?....WHY are you doing this to me?....I want to be smug and hip...I don't want to give a shit about the republic....I just want to be funny on internet message boards and talk about bullshit......Fuck You Bob!.....you know what Bob?....I'll just taunt you with loaded accusations of paranoia and make jokes about you...whatever...OK!!??....OK?

Hey, and don't forget to post pictures of guys wearing Tin Foil Hats too. That's always popular and we know why. That visual joke just never gets in the least bit old or tired.

Bob, I have one question. What role do you think that bin Laden had in 9/11, if he had one other than just someone to blame? What do you think he's about? It's interesting to read some of the information about how shielded he and a lot of his associates have been in their existence. Do you think he's working with some of the American establishment, unaware of his role, or just unassociated? It's something that's always confused me from reading books like Nafeez Ahmed's "The War on Truth". I know you've answered it before, but what's he about?

legpuppy wrote: It's something that's always confused me from reading books like Nafeez Ahmed's "The War on Truth". I know you've answered it before, but what's he about?

Essential book, as is War on Freedom. In my opinion, bin Laden is a useful idiot and a prop, and probably long dead. He'll live on like a hologram, though, maybe even 'claim responsibility' for more future synthetic terrorism. He's arab Emmanuel Goldstein, an asset of the control apparatus that reinforces the cattle herders' whips of police state and perpetual terror.

He's a Saudi playboy who came to believe he was serving a higher purpose ( same as the religious crackpots controlling our government ), and the NWO seized upon his potential usefulness to the future replacement for the Cold War and mythologized him, converted him into an icon to lead gullible muslims into the teeth of a war machine, unfortunately. As bad as the bin Laden/al CIAda scam is on us in America, it's a worse trick on the Arab world. bin Laden is used to prop up the winning side in the West, but he and al Qaeda are used over there to make muslims sign up for their own executions.

clocker bob wrote:

sphincter wrote:Theory with most media coverge?/Theory that the media is talking about a lot right now?/Theory being made into a film to be released in cinemas? Whatever?

You are still operating under the complete misconception that the creators of Loose Change write conspiracy theories. They compiled existing theories into a homemade movie. As long as you continue to think that 9/11 conspiracy theories can be debunked by beginning with an examination of Dylan Avery, you're a retard. If you analyze a football game that is broadcast on television, the televison acts as a window into the game itself. You don't try and figure out why the Chicago Bears played poorly in the Super Bowl by looking at who operated the cameras or sent the game feed to the satellite.

Nah, I don't think I'm operating under that misconception, plus that's irrelevant, that's such a small part of what I said. If you read what I'm actually saying, you'll realise that my argument has nothing really to do with this Dylan character, I just laughed at one point he made about him being some figure of authority on the subject yet people who are experts actually have no authority and shouldn't get involved (obviously because they didn't agree with what he was saying).

What my real point is...is-

The whole concept of this being a conspiracy acted out by the American government is so retarded that only a senile prick could think it's true...?

It makes no sense in any way at all.

Some guy also posted some sarcastic horse shit that I'm basically some zombie that believes what my TV tells me or something? I dunno, I didn't really read much of it all too closely.

Nah, again you're wrong. I don't really know anything about the subject, I'm just talking on a messageboard to someone who I think is wrong, but I don't actually know. I just don't automatically go- 'oh the bbc is giving me these interviews and information that ruins upon the conspiracy theories with expert knowledge from professionals and the like and it's on TV so it must be a lie, because the bbc has an agenda to brainwash us into all loving the American government and hating muslims, even though it goes out of its way to do the opposite most of the time...yes, nothing is ever true, everyone is always a lie, down with homework down with homework etc.

I could be wrong, probably am, David Icke is probably right, a giant lizard is running the world from France using an elite network of martians under the freemason hood.

Just talking.