shagboy wrote:i totally disagree with you. i love the remix. i think it makes the music blow your head off like it probably would if you saw it live. the album's called raw power... dude... that's what they were going for

my point is, they could have done a better job than just distorting it. distorting the vocals and bass does nothing to improve the sound of the record.

for example: they could have added midrange to the snare so it sounded like more of a "crack" and less like a "pop" (the latter being the preferred snare sound by major-label producers at the time, and one that does nothing for heavy music); they could have also compressed the bass a little and--i mean, shit, it's not like they didn't have the time/money to do this the second time around--they could have put an automated eq on it so that the eq changed to boost whatever frequency the bass was playing in at any given time. that would have made it sound heavy; instead of just re-distorting the guitar (especially the lead guitar) they could have just left it alone. more distortion does not equal a "better" guitar sound. ever. it doesn't change the way the fucker is played: a guitar cannot sound heavy unless it's played heavy. i also would like to have heard a little more treble and mid on the kick, but that's just a personal preference.

and some songs just didn't need the "in the red" remix. "Gimme Danger" does not need distorted vocals. the distorted vocals sound like crap.

instant_zen wrote:

shagboy wrote:i totally disagree with you. i love the remix. i think it makes the music blow your head off like it probably would if you saw it live. the album's called raw power... dude... that's what they were going for

my point is, they could have done a better job than just distorting it. distorting the vocals and bass does nothing to improve the sound of the record.

for example: they could have added midrange to the snare so it sounded like more of a "crack" and less like a "pop" (the latter being the preferred snare sound by major-label producers at the time, and one that does nothing for heavy music); they could have also compressed the bass a little and--i mean, shit, it's not like they didn't have the time/money to do this the second time around--they could have put an automated eq on it so that the eq changed to boost whatever frequency the bass was playing in at any given time. that would have made it sound heavy; instead of just re-distorting the guitar (especially the lead guitar) they could have just left it alone. more distortion does not equal a "better" guitar sound. ever. it doesn't change the way the fucker is played: a guitar cannot sound heavy unless it's played heavy. i also would like to have heard a little more treble and mid on the kick, but that's just a personal preference.

and some songs just didn't need the "in the red" remix. "Gimme Danger" does not need distorted vocals. the distorted vocals sound like crap.

I'm with shagboy on the remix; I like it much better.

run joe, run wrote:

instant_zen wrote:

shagboy wrote:i totally disagree with you. i love the remix. i think it makes the music blow your head off like it probably would if you saw it live. the album's called raw power... dude... that's what they were going for

my point is, they could have done a better job than just distorting it. distorting the vocals and bass does nothing to improve the sound of the record.

for example: they could have added midrange to the snare so it sounded like more of a "crack" and less like a "pop" (the latter being the preferred snare sound by major-label producers at the time, and one that does nothing for heavy music); they could have also compressed the bass a little and--i mean, shit, it's not like they didn't have the time/money to do this the second time around--they could have put an automated eq on it so that the eq changed to boost whatever frequency the bass was playing in at any given time. that would have made it sound heavy; instead of just re-distorting the guitar (especially the lead guitar) they could have just left it alone. more distortion does not equal a "better" guitar sound. ever. it doesn't change the way the fucker is played: a guitar cannot sound heavy unless it's played heavy. i also would like to have heard a little more treble and mid on the kick, but that's just a personal preference.

and some songs just didn't need the "in the red" remix. "Gimme Danger" does not need distorted vocals. the distorted vocals sound like crap.

I'm with shagboy on the remix; I like it much better.

I'm with instant_zen on the remix; it sounds like crap.

I mean, yeah it's quite an achievement to mix something so badly that whatever volume it's played back it sounds too loud, but I'd rather listen to the songs and performances than a channel strip...

Maybe Iggy should have considered dubbing himself screaming "WOOH! SUPER-LOUD!", "HERE COME THE LOUDNESS!" and "LOUDNESS ATTACK!" over the recording too.

run joe, run wrote:I'm with shagboy on the remix; I like it much better.

it's not a matter of whether i like it "better" or "worse" than the original. the original sucked, too. my point was that they could have done a better job on the remix than they did. if i had to choose, i don't really have a preference. i can't stand either of them. and it bums me out, because it's probably my favorite Stooges album, material-wise.

Have you ever heard the Ron Asheton "mixes"? Seems like they might be what you're after, or as close as you'll get.

run joe, run wrote:Have you ever heard the Ron Asheton "mixes"? Seems like they might be what you're after, or as close as you'll get.

i've not. where might one acquire them?

instant_zen wrote:

run joe, run wrote:Have you ever heard the Ron Asheton "mixes"? Seems like they might be what you're after, or as close as you'll get.

i've not. where might one acquire them?

Jeez, I'm not sure. They came out as a bootleg at some point, and I either had a copy or heard someone else's...I'll have a look for you, see if they're lying around anywhere.

My memory is a bit fuzzy on this, but I think the story was something like Ron did a rough mix for playback before Bowie mixed it. He kept a copy of his playback mix, and was so pissed off with Bowie's finished product that he leaked his own.

I remember them being pretty shitty quality, but certainly the most straightforward version I've heard. Someone else round here might be able to help you more than me, but like I said, I'll have a rummage.

Big John wrote:The album The Stooges was produced by John Cale who was in the Velvets if there was any doubt they were arty I think the cello-ed 15 minute LA Blues might help give it away. Or the single piano note on I want to be your dog. Fun House was produced by the engineer who did the Doors albums and they were considered a art band at the time. This was the original line up of the Stooges. Ron Ashton on guitar - I think his tightly edited guitar work pretty much set the model of modern guitar work. Dave Alexander on Bass who died unexpectedly around the time of the Raw Power sessions.

1. it was a viola not a cello.

2. the song was "we will fall." "la blues" is on "funhouse." which was done by dan gallucci.

3. dave alexander died in '75. he quit the stooges after "funhouse" and was replaced several times.

4. the stooges broke up shortly after "funhouse" was finished. playing very few shows from it.

that damned fly wrote:4. the stooges broke up shortly after "funhouse" was finished. playing very few shows from it.

of course, the Asheton boys were back on board with Iggy for Raw Power, basically meaning it was almost (75%) the same band. i'd still call Raw Power a "Stooges album," even though they were technically "Iggy and the Stooges" at that point. i'm just trying to defend my aforementioned claim that Raw Power is my "favorite Stooges album."

ah, semantics.

everyone knows "funhouse" rules all.

it'd be like liking "onoffon" more than "vs."

what the fuck?

(jus' fuckin' w/ ya. raw power is mighty too.)