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Fucking AMAZING film, and I totally agree on the violence part, Bob....I was cringing like crazy, and am no longer debating whether to bring my nine yr old to see it or not. A little too gnarly on the gratuitous violence. Made me cry at the end though. I love movies that do that..

I loved Hellboy, too. Maybe it's the inner child comic geek in me.

you people are gonna raise some wussy ass little kids
so you shelter them from this horrible violence what will they do when confronted by it out in the world? curl up into a ball and hope it goes away?
violence and cruelty are a part of life, you can't pretend it's not. This is a horrible world, you best be gettin' them kids numb to it as soon as you can.

Marsupialized wrote:you people are gonna raise some wussy ass little kids
so you shelter them from this horrible violence what will they do when confronted by it out in the world?

Absolutely. That's why I drop my kids off at the intersection of 16th and Keystone every morning, and instruct them to find their way to school from there. I made a commitment to expose them to horrible violence as soon as they were ambulatory, so they grow up rough, tough and battle-scarred. I'm looking into an exchange program with some parents in Anbar province next.

clocker bob wrote:

Marsupialized wrote:you people are gonna raise some wussy ass little kids
so you shelter them from this horrible violence what will they do when confronted by it out in the world?

Absolutely. That's why I drop my kids off at the intersection of 16th and Keystone every morning, and instruct them to find their way to school from there. I made a commitment to expose them to horrible violence as soon as they were ambulatory, so they grow up rough, tough and battle-scarred. I'm looking into an exchange program with some parents in Anbar province next.

I'm guessing raising a kid that way would make for one smart, bad ass adult ready for anything with a deep understanding of every facet of human nature.
Or just keep them in a big house in a locked down whitewash sub-division out in the burbs watching TV, well non-violent TV. You want your kids to end up like Nerdly Bear? Go that route.
Soft as a pillow, delicate as a teacup that's how I want my kids. We need more dumb fat wimpy kids in this world, I always say that.

Marsupialized wrote:

clocker bob wrote:

Marsupialized wrote:you people are gonna raise some wussy ass little kids
so you shelter them from this horrible violence what will they do when confronted by it out in the world?

Absolutely. That's why I drop my kids off at the intersection of 16th and Keystone every morning, and instruct them to find their way to school from there. I made a commitment to expose them to horrible violence as soon as they were ambulatory, so they grow up rough, tough and battle-scarred. I'm looking into an exchange program with some parents in Anbar province next.

I'm guessing raising a kid that way would make for one smart, bad ass adult ready for anything with a deep understanding of every facet of human nature.

So am I to understand that you object to any efforts by parents to keep their kids from facing the full awfulness of the world ( either in real life or via the media ) until they're mentally equipped to handle it? That there should be no time of innocence for a child?

marsupialized wrote:I'm guessing raising a kid that way would make for one smart, bad ass adult ready for anything with a deep understanding of every facet of human nature.

Or you could take the pessimistic view, which is that throwing a kid into that world will perpetuate the cycles of nihilism and predatory behavior that white folks are always blaming on ghetto culture. If ghetto culture was so healthy for kids, why are parents always trying to escape it, black, white, latino, whoever? All those parents who wish they could spare their kids from a violent neighborhood are wrong, and we're all wrong when we describe the ones who don't as shitty parents??

clocker bob wrote:

Marsupialized wrote:

clocker bob wrote:

Marsupialized wrote:you people are gonna raise some wussy ass little kids
so you shelter them from this horrible violence what will they do when confronted by it out in the world?

Absolutely. That's why I drop my kids off at the intersection of 16th and Keystone every morning, and instruct them to find their way to school from there. I made a commitment to expose them to horrible violence as soon as they were ambulatory, so they grow up rough, tough and battle-scarred. I'm looking into an exchange program with some parents in Anbar province next.

I'm guessing raising a kid that way would make for one smart, bad ass adult ready for anything with a deep understanding of every facet of human nature.

So am I to understand that you object to any efforts by parents to keep their kids from facing the full awfulness of the world ( either in real life or via the media ) until they're mentally equipped to handle it? That there should be no time of innocence for a child?

They are 'mentally equipped to handle it' from birth, we are humans this is a human world they are born into, no? Does the tiger mom keep the baby tiger kitten from seeing a bloody violent takedown of prey for a few years till they are ready to handle such things? No, they pop out and get right to it, being a tiger that is...
This is a world full of awful humans treating each other terribly and they will have to figure out how to get by in it. They will need to develop instincts on good and bad and will need to know exactly the types of creatures they may be interacting with.
My parents told me from the get go that there are degenerates out there who would love to grab me and diddle me if I left my guard down. They told me exactly what they might say and do to try and back me into a corner to have their way with me. In turn, I was able to save myself a lot of therapy bills later in life by extracting myself from situations exactly like what they described.
They showed me homeless people, drug addicts and criminals and told me how they became that way and how it could easily happen to anyone if they did not stay on top of their business.
They explained to me stories in the paper about murders and kidnappings and robberies and explained what sorts of people do such things and how to keep my distance from situations such as the ones that could produce such acts.
I did not need to be coddled in a velvet blanket for whatever set amount of years, basking in ignorance of the outside world. What sort of service do you think that is providing for the child? Stunting his growth to make you feel better?
The reason this world is so messed up with idiots and wimps is because these parents are pathologically gung ho on keeping these kids dependant on them and helpless forever.
They do not teach these kids about life, they buy them nintendos and DVD's and stuff them with McDonalds.

As far as this flick goes, showing a kid how brutal war is and how evil humans get when given power over others is exactly the type of thing I want my kids seeing, not some talking car or singing goat teaching them nothing but garbage.

I'd take a kid to this movie to show him what a CRAP movie looks like.

Marsupialized wrote:They are 'mentally equipped to handle it' from birth, we are humans this is a human world they are born into, no?

Umm, no, just like you don't start your math classes with trigonometry, you don't start preparing a kid for the 'real world' by dropping him off on the second tier of Stateville prison at the age of four. It is a gradual process. Do you know anybody who teaches the early grades in schools? An eight year old human is still finding himself. It does that kid no good to say, "Oh, he'll find out eventually how mean the world is, so I guess I'll get it over with early, show him pornos and make him watch 24 every week".

Your analogy to the jungle of the animal world is retarded. Most animals reach sexual adulthood in under three years. They have to, to keep the species moving forward. The reason why humans live to 82 and tigers don't is because human kids have long physical, emotional, and mental childhoods, and tiger cubs don't.

clocker bob wrote:

Marsupialized wrote:They are 'mentally equipped to handle it' from birth, we are humans this is a human world they are born into, no?

Umm, no, just like you don't start your math classes with trigonometry, you don't start preparing a kid for the 'real world' by dropping him off on the second tier of Stateville prison at the age of four. It is a gradual process. Do you know anybody who teaches the early grades in schools? An eight year old human is still finding himself. It does that kid no good to say, "Oh, he'll find out eventually how mean the world is, so I guess I'll get it over with early, show him pornos and make him watch 24 every week".

Your analogy to the jungle of the animal world is retarded. Most animals reach sexual adulthood in under three years. They have to, to keep the species moving forward. The reason why humans live to 82 and tigers don't is because human kids have long physical, emotional, and mental childhoods, and tiger cubs don't.

an 8 year old is plenty old to know the sad truths of human existence.

Not dropping him off at prison but explaining what prison is and how you might find yourself there if not careful.
Not showing them porn but Pans labyrinth.
Humans are animals like any other, just a virus on a rock.
Your statement at the end there sums up my position except I'll add one little touch....'Human kids have overly long physical, emotional, and mental childhoods'

Marsupialized wrote:
an 8 year old is plenty old to know the sad truths of human existence.

I like your posts on the whole, but in this thread you're doing a great impression of an angry, 'emo' teenage retard.