Mama Clortho wrote:I can't believe Trent Reznor found the new sound.

A new sound.
lots of other bands are inovative with sound too.

Mama Clortho wrote:

bergmann disney wrote: good work coz he achieved to get an absolutly neverheard sound

I can't believe Trent Reznor found the new sound.

So anyway, what does it sound like?

They were in that desert for ages man...in the end they realised that the only place they hadn't looked was in their own mind!

bergmann disney wrote:
to my mind, it's good work coz he achieved to get an absolutly neverheard sound, wich one may like or dislike but wich won't let you icy.

I gave it another listen. There is no absolutely neverheard sound on this record. That's what mainstream nu-metal kids are going to say when they get off the rack at Hot Topic. "Dude, this shit is amazing, I've never heard this before in my life!" He manipulated some of the sounds well I suppose, but it's nothing that hasn't been done before, and was done before with greater results.

Homeboy can't write good songs anymore. Period. Done. Next.

One of the reasons I keep coming back to NIN is the bass sound. When he's not using synth bass, he plays a P-Bass. He gets this really rumbly sound. I'm not sure, but it sounds like the high end is completely cut out, and the mids are boosted.

Steve V. wrote:[I gave it another listen. There is no absolutely neverheard sound on this record.

that's your rignt to think so.
but as most of the people that post here, i have pretty good musical culture and technical knowledge, and i can't see wich record you are thinking to. can you tell me names?

Skronk wrote:One of the reasons I keep coming back to NIN is the bass sound.

I really like the basse sound of the track "the collector", on his previous album.
but i am not particulaly fan of his previous albums, including bass sounds on theese.

bergmann disney wrote:

Steve V. wrote:[I gave it another listen. There is no absolutely neverheard sound on this record.

that's your rignt to think so.
but as most of the people that post here, i have pretty good musical culture and technical knowledge, and i can't see wich record you are thinking to. can you tell me names?

"Hyperpower" immediately made me think of Killing Joke's "Tension" and Einsturzende Neubauten, especially the drums for the first track on Kollaps. This is the closest to good NIN has come in a while. Expectations up.

"The Beginning of the End" isn't anymore revolutionary than any of the garbage off of a record like "With Teeth." Nu-metal as fuck...and boring. Expectations buried.

"Survivalism" is like a really digital Killing Joke, with a drum machine as opposed to an actual skinsmen. Except instead of intriguing vocals, you get Trent Reznor throat farting his shitty lyrics for 4 minutes.

"The Good Soldier" sounds like a European dance track. Once again, only difference between this and a minor club hit is Trent's "crooning."

"Vessel" sounds a lot like old NIN. Everything is incredibly overprocessed, which makes everything sound much more "interesting" and "challenging" when right in the middle is a very clean vocal track.

"Me, I'm Not" is like taking the last two tracks and mixing them together. Easily forgotten and just plain pathetic. Filler.

"Capital G" would've been better on a Gwen Stefani record. Clean but those "cymbals" and have horns play the guitar parts and you have a mega hit. Once again, a muddy, characterless song.

"The Warning" has a cool guitar sound. I'll give it that. It may be just barely a guitar sound, but it sounds like if you were playing a guitar made of liquid. Too bad the song is...oh yeah, just like the others. It is a NIN record right? Same beats, same moaning, same "weird" sounds.

"God Given" is Trent Reznor trying to make a crowdpleaser. a NIN-version of a "sing along." Taking a beat that wouldn't sound very out of place on an OK Computer demo...except Radiohead could spin it a little tiny bit better.

"Meet Your Master" and "The Greater Good" are just embarassing. I know underground hip-hop artists who have created semi-decent songs using the same synths found on the later.

"The Great Destroyer" ain't that bad of a track. Sounds like if you took a common rock song, mailed the mix to Merzbow, and he sent it back in about a day and a half.

"Another Version of the Truth" warrants no review.

"Into This Twilight" is another decent song. It actually has a purposeful sort of beat, and doesn't sound like listening to a German Electronica band on the radio which going through a tunnel as the signal cuts in and out.

"Zero-Sum" is creepy, which means I'll let it live.

Atari Teenage Riot made this record much better quite a few times. Alec Empire's work is borrowed from liberally. Merzbow comes to mind, along with the less trebly work of someone like John Wiese. Trent Reznor is just trying too hard. So hard to be this mastermind, this new frontier...he just commercially repackages what has been going on underground or abroad for years. Then he takes the credit as if he invented it. Really old NIN, up until Spiral and then a song here and there after that, I can get behind. This? Fuck this.

Steve V wrote:Hyperpower" immediately made me think of Killing Joke's "Tension" and Einsturzende Neubauten, especially the drums for the first track on Kollaps. This is the closest to good NIN has come in a while. Expectations up.

i have just been checking, comparing my the fall of because and year zero records.
compression ratio is harder on hyperpower but compression attack is the same on both, amount of room ambiance/dry sound is nearly the same on both. tunning of the drums is absolutly different. additionnal artificial reverb of snare drum is brighter on killing joke's song.
but i prefer killing joke's drum sound
comparing NIN drums with what i can remember of collaps seems like nonsens to me but i don't have it home to check.

Steve V wrote:"The Beginning of the End" isn't anymore revolutionary than any of the garbage off of a record like "With Teeth." Nu-metal as fuck...and boring. Expectations buried.

the song is flat, yes.
but the guitare sound is new to my ear.

Steve V wrote:"Survivalism" is like a really digital Killing Joke, with a drum machine as opposed to an actual skinsmen. Except instead of intriguing vocals, you get Trent Reznor throat farting his shitty lyrics for 4 minutes.

i wasn't talking about his lyrics. of cours they are bad. teenagy.
but you cannot compare this drum sound with old drum machine : it's got more balls and precision than vintage digital drums. it's been synththized with computers, probably Csound.
he no more uses these old drum machines.

Steve V wrote:"The Good Soldier" sounds like a European dance track. Once again, only difference between this and a minor club hit is Trent's "crooning."

this song is not interesting, exeption made of the guitare sound.

Steve V wrote:"Vessel" sounds a lot like old NIN. Everything is incredibly overprocessed, which makes everything sound much more "interesting" and "challenging" when right in the middle is a very clean vocal track.

this song is interresting : it's a mess of lots of dirty sounds wich all fit all together well enough to stay clear and distincts.
i don't know if you ever tried to do it, but achieve such a result is hard.

Steve V wrote:"Me, I'm Not" is like taking the last two tracks and mixing them together. Easily forgotten and just plain pathetic. Filler.

not filler, i'd more say synthetic industrial ambiant stuff. and i like the ambiance of this track.

Steve V wrote:"Capital G" would've been better on a Gwen Stefani record. Clean but those "cymbals" and have horns play the guitar parts and you have a mega hit. Once again, a muddy, characterless song.

i like this song, but i know it's not a good one. i guess it's the "single" effect that i feel.

Steve V wrote:"The Warning" has a cool guitar sound. I'll give it that. It may be just barely a guitar sound, but it sounds like if you were playing a guitar made of liquid. Too bad the song is...oh yeah, just like the others. It is a NIN record right? Same beats, same moaning, same "weird" sounds.

guitare sound on this track is exellent, yes, some effects on the voice are innovative too

Steve V wrote:"God Given" is Trent Reznor trying to make a crowdpleaser. a NIN-version of a "sing along." Taking a beat that wouldn't sound very out of place on an OK Computer demo...except Radiohead could spin it a little tiny bit better.

once more, not talking about the vocals.
programming on this song is exellent. but yes, it looks like radiohead, or i would more say like tom yorke's solo album.

Steve V wrote:"Meet Your Master" and "The Greater Good" are just embarassing. I know underground hip-hop artists who have created semi-decent songs using the same synths found on the later.

once more, programming is exellent, could be nigel godrich... i'd really like to hear thoose hiphop men.

Steve V wrote:"The Great Destroyer" ain't that bad of a track. Sounds like if you took a common rock song, mailed the mix to Merzbow, and he sent it back in about a day and a half.

nothing new on this track. we'r just back to the starts of electro industrial music. i agree.

Steve V wrote:"Another Version of the Truth" warrants no review.

Steve V wrote:"Into This Twilight" is another decent song. It actually has a purposeful sort of beat, and doesn't sound like listening to a German Electronica band on the radio which going through a tunnel as the signal cuts in and out.

if you tolerate this song, i can't see why you are wrong with the greater god or vessel or meet your master...

Steve V wrote:"Zero-Sum" is creepy, which means I'll let it live.

i'll let it too, even if that's not the core of the album.

Steve V wrote:Atari Teenage Riot made this record much better quite a few times. Alec Empire's work is borrowed from liberally. Merzbow comes to mind, along with the less trebly work of someone like John Wiese. Trent Reznor is just trying too hard. So hard to be this mastermind, this new frontier...he just commercially repackages what has been going on underground or abroad for years. Then he takes the credit as if he invented it. Really old NIN, up until Spiral and then a song here and there after that, I can get behind. This? Fuck this.

the only song that makes me agree with it is the great destroyer, as i said before.
and you did nearly not say anithing about the way guitares sound. one may like or not, but that's new.

Steve V. wrote:Atari Teenage Riot made this record much better quite a few times. Alec Empire's work is borrowed from liberally. Merzbow comes to mind, along with the less trebly work of someone like John Wiese. Trent Reznor is just trying too hard. So hard to be this mastermind, this new frontier...he just commercially repackages what has been going on underground or abroad for years. Then he takes the credit as if he invented it. Really old NIN, up until Spiral and then a song here and there after that, I can get behind. This? Fuck this.

How can you compare NIN to ATR? ATR is horrible. The can't even write a decent song, let alone match two samples together so they play in time. ATR lyrics, courtesy of lame front man, Alec Empire, are far worse than Reznor's, and that's saying a mouthful. "Destroy 2000 Years Of Culture", and "Deutschland (Has Gotta Die!)" have horrifically bad lyrics.

Skronk wrote:

Steve V. wrote:Atari Teenage Riot made this record much better quite a few times. Alec Empire's work is borrowed from liberally. Merzbow comes to mind, along with the less trebly work of someone like John Wiese. Trent Reznor is just trying too hard. So hard to be this mastermind, this new frontier...he just commercially repackages what has been going on underground or abroad for years. Then he takes the credit as if he invented it. Really old NIN, up until Spiral and then a song here and there after that, I can get behind. This? Fuck this.

How can you compare NIN to ATR? ATR is horrible. The can't even write a decent song, let alone match two samples together so they play in time. ATR lyrics, courtesy of lame front man, Alec Empire, are far worse than Reznor's, and that's saying a mouthful. "Destroy 2000 Years Of Culture", and "Deutschland (Has Gotta Die!)" have horrifically bad lyrics.

ATR isn't horrible. They've got a few records I actually really like. Many things tell me not to like them, but I think they're decent albums. I wasn't comparing NIN to ATR. I was comparing the sound of this record to ATR. Also, contemporaries in the digital hardcore scene of ATR warrant comparisons to this album. I didn't mention Empire's lyrics for comparison because they are equally lame, with a few really good songs occasionally. I don't listen to either band a lot, but I would say that some of the noisy insane-o stuff ATR does interests me way more than NIN's new shit.

Both have their fair share of pretension.

Bergmann Disney, if you honestly think that the new Nine Inch Nails record is worth even more discussion, well then I'll just concede right here and now. I am completely and utterly wrong. Honestly. For real. If you think this record is the most creative thing ever, go ahead. I'm not losing sleep or wasting any more time on debating Trent Reznor. His passionless play has already wasted enough of my time.[/quote]