There's this drum break down in this old funk song. Amen something. Amen Brother?
Anyway, I think they could do a lot with that.

The distorted guitar harmonics from "Peacemaker" by Naked Raygun

Come on, guys. That shit ain't music.


Mr. Graham

You mom ain't music.

We've been mercifully free of Entertainment! samples, all things considered.

Tommy Alpha wrote:There's this drum break down in this old funk song. Amen something. Amen Brother?
Anyway, I think they could do a lot with that.

its funny though, lots of people miss the use of amen, funky drummer, impeach the president, etc, unless its in drum and bass or jungle or breakbeat or whatever (arent those all the same genres, just at different tempos?), in which case its obvious.... i use impeach the president all the time and when i play the beats for people, none of the knowledgeable djs/beatmakers/etc end up noticing it unless i tell them, at which point they say "whoa, how did i miss that"

BClark wrote:its funny though, lots of people miss the use of amen, funky drummer, impeach the president, etc, unless its in drum and bass or jungle or breakbeat or whatever (arent those all the same genres, just at different tempos?), in which case its obvious.... i use impeach the president all the time and when i play the beats for people, none of the knowledgeable djs/beatmakers/etc end up noticing it unless i tell them, at which point they say "whoa, how did i miss that"

It's because very few of them have heard the actual track, and instead get just the break down from some breaks and beats compilations or they pick it up off of someone else who has already sampled it.

Very few people own copies of the Incredible Bongo Band or the HoneyDrippers or the Winstons, and almost no one plays those tracks in their original form anymore. So it's not surprising that a lot of people don't recognize the originals (especially cause "Amen Brother" is usually sampled sped up quite a bit from the original - most notably in jungle)

I once did a radio show called "source of the songs" where I played nothing but original tracks that had been sampled and recycled. Had a lot of people call in wanting to know more, etc. However, at the end of one show, after playing Tom Tom Club's "Genius of Love" I had some girl (who apparently had just tuned in/had no idea what the show was about) call in and say "Oooh! I betcha Mariah Carey is so going to sue them for ripping off her song!!!"

...I weep for the future.

...and actually, I'd like to expand on that a little bit further.

We're also hearing music that is put together by a younger and newer generation, that didn't grow up listening to the music which is sampled. The reason producers like J-swift, Prince Paul, etc. had such great varieties of samples in their music is because they grew up listening to their parents record collections, which included stuff like the Isley Brothers, FatBack, the Meters, Earth Wind and Fire, James Brown, Undisputed Truth, Lyn Collins, the Blackbyrds, the 3 Pieces, Roberta Flack, Aretha Franklin, Gil Scott Heron, etc. (or in the case of Grandmaster Flash and Afrikaa Bambatta: Kraftwerk, YMO, Perrey and Kingsley, etc.)

However, artists growing up and producing music now, didn't grow up listening to that, they've grown up listening to that music recycled in other music, and so they probably only hear just the hook, and don't necessarily know other songs from that artists repertoire. Consequently, the field of music from which they are sampling is becoming narrower and narrower.

Even though there is no legally established threshold for unlawful appropriation or what constitutes "fair use", the lawsuits which arose from the sampling activities of Biz Markie, Beastie Boys, and others, caused a lot of producers to reduce the sample in each song to a single "hook" - most notably Dr. Dre and his unabashed abuse of Parliament/Funkadelic songs for use in his own hits as well as Snoop Dogg's. The necessity of paying royalties to the artist you are sampling from makes creating a song with multiple samples from different artists less financially viable.

So, these are two other factors which are contributing to the ignorance of source music: a generation growing up only hearing already recycled tunes, and the fact that now you only need one sample now to make a song.

benadrian wrote:

trilonaut wrote:

benadrian wrote:Frame by frame by King Crimson

good call.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qPEo6MyQKdE

Have some Prog.

Ben

Man, if only Adrian Belew could have just shut up! That Discipline album was my favorite record for a while.