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syntaxfree07 wrote:I think you (ytrehalf) just hate Jews.

Ding ding ding.



Additionally, to say that christians don't have an overwhelming influence on culture and politics at this point is just ridiculous.

syntaxfree07 wrote:It's quite appropriate that you put "Christian" in quotes in reference to lawmakers. Most all "Christians" in power today are phonies. Further, a large percentage of Americans who identify themselves as "Christians" today are really Zionists, particularly the Evangelicals.

i think for this discussion to progress intelligently, the term "Christian" needs to be clearly defined. any takers?

ytrehalf
it's is not that your completely crazy. The lubavitch makes my spinoza sense tingle with distaste. I think two very different types of currents keep them from the bagel and loxless exile from public sphere they deserve.
A) holocaust ripples of guilt, empathy and such that are out of focus
B) the sad sick take on the "end times" that has many christians enraptured with jews in a very specific and narrow role in the theatre of the revelation/666/bizarro company. this evangelical endtimes bit sees israel not as a nation state with all the needs for checks and balances implied therein but rather as a magic entity that mystically rewards those who give it political blank checks.
that said so many who talk like you seem to proceed to expound on brilliant works like "the protocols of the elders of zion" and holocaust revision.

some sense of your acknowledgement of recent jewish history and why that might play into things might be reassuring....one way or the other

instant_zen wrote:i think for this discussion to progress intelligently, the term "Christian" needs to be clearly defined. any takers?

Not me! - but I agree with you 100% - this is what needs to be decided before anything, because from what I've read I think a lot of people are approaching this discussion with different ideas of what a Christian is. This seems to be creating some miscommunication.

I will say this - I think that the terms "conservative right", "Christian right", and "Christian" are used pretty interchangeably when in fact they cover a pretty broad range of ideas, both politically and religiously. I am a Christian, but I wouldn't stand behind the likes of Pat Robertson, which is the sort of person I'm guessing is referred to as the "Christian right". Correct?

Anyway, I'm rambling. It's pretty late, so goodnight EA!

Goodnight, Chevelle!

unarmedman wrote:

instant_zen wrote:i think for this discussion to progress intelligently, the term "Christian" needs to be clearly defined. any takers?

Not me! - but I agree with you 100% - this is what needs to be decided before anything...

Someone who has a totally irrational belief in a unprovable supernatural being that created the universe, following of the teachings of the Bronze Age myths of the man/god Jesus that stem from the Jewish monotheistic religion.

Once you can suspend your rational thought to such a massive degree, I image everything else just falls into place nicely.

Gramsci wrote:Someone who has a totally irrational belief in a unprovable supernatural being that created the universe, following of the teachings of the Bronze Age myths of the man/god Jesus that stem from the Jewish monotheistic religion.

Once you can suspend your rational thought to such a massive degree, I image everything else just falls into place nicely.

have you read what i posted in this thread? have you read any of my "christian existentialism" arguments in this forum? i think i've pretty well defended myself, for one, and i think that superficial, childish accusations like the one you've just made do not speak well of you considering, for instance, their juxtaposition with my analysis on the last page.

perhaps my logic's in the Bronze Age, but at least i've evolved past the Stone Age.

thank you.

instant_zen wrote:

Gramsci wrote:Someone who has a totally irrational belief in a unprovable supernatural being that created the universe, following of the teachings of the Bronze Age myths of the man/god Jesus that stem from the Jewish monotheistic religion.

Once you can suspend your rational thought to such a massive degree, I image everything else just falls into place nicely.

have you read what i posted in this thread? have you read any of my "christian existentialism" arguments in this forum? i think i've pretty well defended myself, for one, and i think that superficial, childish accusations like the one you've just made do not speak well of you considering, for instance, their juxtaposition with my analysis on the last page.

perhaps my logic's in the Bronze Age, but at least i've evolved past the Stone Age.

thank you.

You dope, I wasn't attacking you at all. There was a question to "define" something. I offered my definition.

But judging by your reaction I think we better stick to talking about kick drum mics, or I am going to insult you with my views…

Which I’d rather not do, as I am a nice guy. Try being a little more "Christian"

gramsci wrote:You dope, I wasn't attacking you at all. There was a question to "define" something. I offered my definition.

But judging by your reaction I think we better stick to talking about kick drum mics, or I am going to insult you with my views…

Which I’d rather not do, as I am a nice guy. Try being a little more "Christian"

it's alright, i forgive you (even if i feel like a pompous ass for saying so). and for the record, i'm not averse to your beliefs. i would just appreciate more accomodating language than "totally irrational" and "Bronze Age myths." those sorts of things aren't exactly the stuff of fair and balanced arguments; they're the stuff of Fox News (albiet with the opinion of the material somewhat reversed).

instant_zen wrote:it's alright, i forgive you (even if i feel like a pompous ass for saying so). and for the record, i'm not averse to your beliefs.

Very kind of you. However, an absence of belief is not a belief... I also have absence in a belief of Zeus. But I'm sure you do too.

[winky atheist smartass face]

instant_zen wrote:

syntaxfree07 wrote:It's quite appropriate that you put "Christian" in quotes in reference to lawmakers. Most all "Christians" in power today are phonies. Further, a large percentage of Americans who identify themselves as "Christians" today are really Zionists, particularly the Evangelicals.

i think for this discussion to progress intelligently, the term "Christian" needs to be clearly defined. any takers?

Easy. When somoene says he's a christian, he's a christian. That covers a lot of territory, but I'm not interested in parsing-out every individual sub-group. If you say you're a christian, I believe you. Does it necessarily follow that you were home schooled, that you are are against gay marriage, against abortion, that you don't believe in evolution, that you think the bible is literally the word of god now and forever true, that you believe I and all my heathen friends will suffer an eternal damnation, that you believe there was a great flood that innundated the earth, that you have crappy taste in books and music? Not necessarily, but please feel free to check all those that apply.