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Re: Home Recording: Reactive Load Boxes & Impulse Responses

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:02 am
by cakes
Speak
twelvepoint wrote: I recently tried a TD-27 kit at my regional shop. At $3,000, it wouldn't have been a capricious purchase, but in terms of my hearing, and consideration of neighbors, I would have justified it. The positives with these newer rigs is the snare and ride use some kind of digital sensor, using a USB-A connector, possibly transmitting some electrostatic and other positional data that's meaningful to the samples being played. A cross-stick on snare is played quite well. The ride has a nice sensitivity too. Hi hats, however, seem to be the old two 1/4" cable deal they always had, and IMO, if Roland is going to sell a next-generation kit that's 200% pricier than its competitors, the hats should reflect similar technology.

I think I found a kit in the bank that was just "classic rock" or something and it sounded fine.

I ended up just getting neoprene mutes for my RB Gretsch, and some Zildjian L80 cymbals, reviewed elsewhere, and it's acceptable for practice, and when i want to record, I can just switch the kit over in 2 minutes.
I had an ATV aD5 and it was crazy how much it sounded like a real drum kit right off the bat. The TD-27 module doesn't sound quite as good, but that's just out of the box. I noticed with mine that the cymbals sounded and played kinda blah, and the bell on the ride was nearly non-existent. I spent a few days in the settings for sensitivities and volumes and decays. There's so much more to play with there, but I got it to where it works for me right now. There some some standard kits on the module that sound great, some that are pretty mediocre. However, there are plenty of high quality samples specifically for the TD-27 out there that are just fantastic and not expensive. I picked up a 60 kit sample pack for around $60 and got some amazing samples out of it. Of course, you can also tweak to get your own kits, use your own samples, etc... as I stated before. So, I would say with some tweaking, you can get it to sound great!

The fucked up thing about that TD-27 kit, is that it has the VH-10 hi-hat. It's not that great, but not terrible. The VH-13 is miles ahead, but then you have to shell out even more cash for it. I don't think the VH-13 is available for the smaller kits, only when you get to the acoustic-looking full kits. Though, most online drum retailers offer custom builds and even make their own sample packs that are installed on the modules for you. I don't have the TD-27 kit, just the module. I have an ATV ESX-5, which I think is a better kit than the TD-27 for the price: you get a better ride and hi-hat for a little bit cheaper price.

To circle back to the origin of this thread, between IRs and vdrum modules, you can capture guitars and drums in your own home, make great sounding music, and it would be really hard pressed to find someone who could tell the difference.

Re: Home Recording: Reactive Load Boxes & Impulse Responses

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:04 am
by cakes
MoreSpaceEcho wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:58 am Anyway, as far as load boxes, last year I got the Bugera PS-1, which is resistive not reactive. And I'm sure the fancy reactive boxes sound better, but the Bugera sounds great and it's 120 bucks. I don't feel like the tone is lacking in any way and more importantly, it makes it so I can turn my Deluxe up to 7 and get loads of gushy power amp distortion....at a conversational volume.
I haven't seen that one. I think the main thing about reactive load boxes is the impedance curve they produce. Some, better than others. Between the Suhr Reactive Load and the Two Notes Captor, the Suhr has a more realistic curve, where the Captor is more flat. I've A/B'd them and the difference is very slight. I would imagine something like the Bugera would sound pretty good, very slightly less dynamic due to the lack of a curve. It would be interesting to A/B against the Suhr.

Re: Home Recording: Reactive Load Boxes & Impulse Responses

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:37 am
by twelvepoint
cakes wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:02 am Speak
twelvepoint wrote: I recently tried a TD-27 kit at my regional shop. At $3,000, it wouldn't have been a capricious purchase, but in terms of my hearing, and consideration of neighbors, I would have justified it. The positives with these newer rigs is the snare and ride use some kind of digital sensor, using a USB-A connector, possibly transmitting some electrostatic and other positional data that's meaningful to the samples being played. A cross-stick on snare is played quite well. The ride has a nice sensitivity too. Hi hats, however, seem to be the old two 1/4" cable deal they always had, and IMO, if Roland is going to sell a next-generation kit that's 200% pricier than its competitors, the hats should reflect similar technology.

I think I found a kit in the bank that was just "classic rock" or something and it sounded fine.

I ended up just getting neoprene mutes for my RB Gretsch, and some Zildjian L80 cymbals, reviewed elsewhere, and it's acceptable for practice, and when i want to record, I can just switch the kit over in 2 minutes.
I had an ATV aD5 and it was crazy how much it sounded like a real drum kit right off the bat. The TD-27 module doesn't sound quite as good, but that's just out of the box. I noticed with mine that the cymbals sounded and played kinda blah, and the bell on the ride was nearly non-existent. I spent a few days in the settings for sensitivities and volumes and decays. There's so much more to play with there, but I got it to where it works for me right now. There some some standard kits on the module that sound great, some that are pretty mediocre. However, there are plenty of high quality samples specifically for the TD-27 out there that are just fantastic and not expensive. I picked up a 60 kit sample pack for around $60 and got some amazing samples out of it. Of course, you can also tweak to get your own kits, use your own samples, etc... as I stated before. So, I would say with some tweaking, you can get it to sound great!

The fucked up thing about that TD-27 kit, is that it has the VH-10 hi-hat. It's not that great, but not terrible. The VH-13 is miles ahead, but then you have to shell out even more cash for it. I don't think the VH-13 is available for the smaller kits, only when you get to the acoustic-looking full kits. Though, most online drum retailers offer custom builds and even make their own sample packs that are installed on the modules for you. I don't have the TD-27 kit, just the module. I have an ATV ESX-5, which I think is a better kit than the TD-27 for the price: you get a better ride and hi-hat for a little bit cheaper price.

To circle back to the origin of this thread, between IRs and vdrum modules, you can capture guitars and drums in your own home, make great sounding music, and it would be really hard pressed to find someone who could tell the difference.
Thanks for the info on this. Someday I'll revisit the edrums thing, and maybe even do some hybrid deal. It's great to get some real life anecdotes from people who have similar taste.

Re: Home Recording: Reactive Load Boxes & Impulse Responses

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:57 am
by bassdriver
cakes wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:02 am
To circle back to the origin of this thread, between IRs and vdrum modules, you can capture guitars and drums in your own home, make great sounding music, and it would be really hard pressed to find someone who could tell the difference.
I've been using the BFD3 plugin for my band at times we don't have a drummer. recording band practice to those drums and then mixing it at home are by far the best practice recordings I've made. very thight drum, no mic bleed, super easy to edit the song. of course it doesn't replace a good drummer but it's cool way to keep making music while finding a drummer.

Re: Home Recording: Reactive Load Boxes & Impulse Responses

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:08 am
by TylerDeadPine
I like this workflow - Split dry guitar with a buffer into Strymon Irridium & DAW input. Do all writing on that - if I feel strongly about something I set up an amp when no-one is there. The irridium gives me aaaalllmost the same feel with minimum tech-fuss that I enjoy playing and feel like the performance is close to using an amp.
Caveat is that all the music I write is terrible so neither matters.

Re: Home Recording: Reactive Load Boxes & Impulse Responses

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:45 am
by Chud Fusk
I'm tempted by the Mooer Cab X2
https://delicious-audio.com/mooer-cab-x2

Also tempted by the Flamma FS07, the Walrus Mako ACS1, the Boss IR200, the DSM Simplifier, and anything else that has the option of two simultaneous cabinets and/or can do a good mid/side. I have an ADA GCS-6 https://www.adaamps.com/gcs-6 which I like because it's analog, but that limits its options.

Re: Home Recording: Reactive Load Boxes & Impulse Responses

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:28 pm
by cakes
Chud Fusk wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:45 am I'm tempted by the Mooer Cab X2
https://delicious-audio.com/mooer-cab-x2

Also tempted by the Flamma FS07, the Walrus Mako ACS1, the Boss IR200, the DSM Simplifier, and anything else that has the option of two simultaneous cabinets and/or can do a good mid/side. I have an ADA GCS-6 https://www.adaamps.com/gcs-6 which I like because it's analog, but that limits its options.
Cool, I love seeing more like this!

Re: Home Recording: Reactive Load Boxes & Impulse Responses

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:13 am
by bassdriver
my new guitar/bass rig for home recording. love the 2 Mooer pedals. it’s super nice to use the included software to edit sounds and download a ton of other amp and cab sims from Mooers website.
right now I’m using a Mesa rectifier amp and split the signal, one side using a cab sim the other side the direct preamp signal and then blend them together. sounds pretty awesome.
I also get a good clean bass sound using an (downloaded) Ampeg amp and the 1x15 Ampeg cab. the two pedals together cost me 300 bucks which is much less than any other amp/cab sim pedal I checked.
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