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Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:50 pm
by penningtron
brephophagist wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:04 pm
More than those 2 senators may be speaking out, but from my perspective they are not moving the party. What am I missing in my media diet that shows a less Trump-y GOP? (seriously asking)
The distinction being 'Trump-y', and not necessarily DJT himself. I think the recent Virginia governor race will be their blueprint.
Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:53 pm
by Clyde
biscuitdough wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:47 am
numberthirty wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:57 pm
Ace K wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:49 pm
He's not fleeing, he's betting on seizing the white house in 2024.
No good reason to seize what you could just win straight up.
What? He seized his first term with the electoral college. Just like Bush Jr in 2000.
(he electoral college is awful and should be abolished but Trump's win was more "legitimate" than Bush's in that it did not rely on the Supreme Court coming up with novel reasons to stop the tallying of votes. But your point underscores that there is no reason to think that any of the sclerotic and anti-democratic institutions that have been unwilling and/or unable to hold Trump accountable in any meaningful way will do much if he does attempt to retake the presidency through similar mechanisms.
Q-anon types taking over election boards and using that leverage to hand the White House over to Trump (or whichever right-winger gets the nomination) seems a far likelier outcome to me than anybody in Trump's immediate orbit facing any serious consequences. When's the last time a major figure from a presidential administration did any time? Scooter Libby, maybe? And considering that the Bush administration was at least as corrupt (and certainly responsible for way more crimes against humanity) than Trump's that isn't exactly a comforting precedent.
Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:59 pm
by Krev
FM Clyde made a really good point; the Trump administration has similar corruption to that of Bush, but did little to obscure its iniquity.
Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:00 pm
by Clyde
penningtron wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:39 pm
Krev wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:18 pm
With Republican gerrymandering disenfranchising voters and the inflated influence of rural hick states, he could easily win.
Yes but so can someone more McConnell-approved, less "off the script".
I assume that Reps of McConnell's ilk are rooting against Trump because he's deeply unpopular among people outside of the base, but they'll all fall in line if he gets the nod again. Their issue with him has nothing to do with authoritarian streak or his corruption, which they all share, but only with his brand.
Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:21 pm
by Anthony Flack
After a few months of Biden doing nothing especially much, it seems a majority Americans are ready to vote the Republicans back in again now anyway. Something about how white America is sick of hearing about how the slave-holding, racially-segragated United States might have left some residual legacy of racial issues, which of course we all know is impossible because LAND OF THE FREE. God, we didn't even get any climate action at all. I mean, not at all, nothing. Well, Americans are probably sick of hearing about how that exists, too.
Oh well, that's humans for ya, right? This is our tragic fate. Here comes our end, we're not going to try to avert it. It shouldn't be too much longer now before it's definitively too late. I wonder if people will ever change their minds.
Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:19 pm
by numberthirty
biscuitdough wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:47 am...
What? He seized his first term with the electoral college. Just like Bush Jr in 2000.
(Don't take this like it is a swipe at you. It ain't...)
Folks in America need to seriously take a minute to internalize the reality that the football game in question is won on points.
The yards that you racked up?
They won't get you a win.
Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:23 pm
by numberthirty
Krev wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:18 pm
With Republican gerrymandering disenfranchising voters and the inflated influence of rural hick states, he could easily win.
Yeah...
That's how Biden could blow this.
https://apnews.com/article/voting-right ... a14a0f0a65
Black Democrats in South Carolina giving Biden mixed reviews
Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:16 pm
by biscuitdough
numberthirty wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:19 pm
biscuitdough wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:47 am...
What? He seized his first term with the electoral college. Just like Bush Jr in 2000.
(Don't take this like it is a swipe at you. It ain't...)
Folks in America need to seriously take a minute to internalize the reality that the football game in question is won on points.
The yards that you racked up?
They won't get you a win.
None taken, but the electoral college is overtly in place to let capital’s preferred candidate seize the election if there’s any danger of losing. It’s not a football game, it’s the gambler vs the house.
Re: How Long Before the Trumps Flee?
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:35 pm
by Curry Pervert
brephophagist wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:04 pm
Curry Pervert wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:32 pm
More than those 2 senators may be speaking out, but from my perspective they are not moving the party. What am I missing in my media diet that shows a less Trump-y GOP? (seriously asking)
I can't point to anything specific as I don't bookmark that kinda stuff, just a general feeling from reading/watching various things that support for trump in the GOP is waning a little.
That's interesting, though it's ironic that they still class the UK as a democracy which is definitely as bad or possibly worse than the US in that regard.