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Regardless of whether dude was made or born that way, it feels like the system is set to crush people to such a degree that the only way to actually enact change anymore is through equivalent violent response/uprising.

How many tens of thousands of innocent people were killed by his company's policies of greed?

I feel bad for his family in the same way I feel bad for a serial killer's...

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:39 am

Gramsci wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:24 am These aren’t bad people, they’re people trapped in a system that happens to advance them.

They're not trapped. Lost, you could argue, but not trapped. They choose to be where they are.

True. But the system we live in gives them every incentive to keep the system functioning as it is. It tells them they succeeded because of their hard work and they are being rewarded for it. The entire culture pumps this out 24/7.

Something I’ve also noticed with capital L liberals, basically centrist, is they really see no alternative. Things like taxing wealth or genuine changes to capitalism seem just invisible.

It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

The UK is reporting the “glee”…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... e-reaction

I also think this killing is completely unsurprising. I know enough about US healthcare without experiencing it, to know it’s is inefficient and cruel.

My first thought honestly was this is some JFK Jr disciple. Only because of the context of the recent election. But it’s likely one of this guy’s parents/spouse were denied something fundamental and he just snapped.

This quote from an NPR article says it all…

Americans generally say they're pretty happy with their health insurance, according to survey data from health policy research organization KFF — unless they're sick. Those with "fair" or "poor" health are nearly twice as likely to be displeased with their insurance compared to those with "good" health.

Of course you like insurance when you don’t have to do anything

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-heal ... cial-media

Gramsci wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:58 am True. But the system we live in gives them every incentive to keep the system functioning as it is. It tells them they succeeded because of their hard work and they are being rewarded for it. The entire culture pumps this out 24/7.

Something I’ve also noticed with capital L liberals, basically centrist, is they really see no alternative. Things like taxing wealth or genuine changes to capitalism seem just invisible.

It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

No sympathy for any of it. So there's a tough decision and your life will be harder, for a greater good. Well boo fucking hoo. You just do it.

Or you don't - fine - but then you've waived your rights come any reckoning.

Cunts.

This person took a job as a willing and active architect of a system designed to profit off of human loss. This is not a run of the mill working class person who just needed to put food on the table and deserves our forgiveness.

He's not a part of the system, he embodied the system. Wrapped himself up up in the system and derived personal joy while he directly caused suffering of humans.

Don't confuse him with a lost soul just trying to make it in the world.

I can understand relief, but I can’t get behind glee. Or at least, I don’t want to, though god knows I’ve felt it.

I just remember the sight of people celebrating and waiving frying pans in the hair when Ted Bundy was executed. That man was as evil a person as anyone who has existed, and yet the celebration of his execution debased everyone.

I think people celebrate this because they don't view it just as the murder of an individual, but as someone finally fighting back against a completely corrupted system.

I mean, I think I made the point here - if you believe that this man is justified in using his power to harm other people just because our system allows it, then you have to ---- HAVE TO ----- accept that you're OK with killing as long as it's under the auspices of making money. I don't see any real way around it.

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 9:31 am I mean, I think I made the point here - if you believe that this man is justified in using his power to harm other people just because our system allows it, then you have to ---- HAVE TO ----- accept that you're OK with killing as long as it's under the auspices of making money. I don't see any real way around it.

As I said, I understand relief or even a sense that it’s just. But breaking out party hats and streamers is ghoulish.

I work for an agency that, among other things, helps low-income folks apply, enroll, and maintain public program health insurance coverage as well as private insurance through our state's health care exchange. I have witnessed firsthand the confounding and infuriatingly confusing gears of state and county administered health care, as well as the crush of finding out that a person is newly just over the income limit for public program health insurance and now face the world of premiums, deductibles, co-pays, co-insurances, networks, denials, pre-auths, non-covered meds, all the shit. I've been doing this since the ACA came into existence. The boardrooms of stuffed suits making determinations of what to and not to cover while lighting cigars with flaming $100s boils my blood, especially when I see people who are in desperate need of things like insulin simply to live try to figure out how they are going to pay for their meds along with their premium and copays on top of their ridiculously high rent, food, clothing, etc etc. It fucking sucks, and it's only going to get worse.

Murder is still wrong.